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Saborion 12-12-2005 04:38 AM

Check or bet, that is the question
 
UTG is 37/6/1.1 and 39/48 over 140h.
MP is 26/18/2.5 and 44/51 over 2900h.
CO is 19/15/3.1 and 38/53 over 800h.
Button is 49/23/1.3 and 48/46 over 100h.

I put the CO top pair + straight draw, KJ or a flush draw. With that high AF + high WSD he's likely to have put in another raise on the flop or turn with 2 pair or better. Or?
Buttons cold-call on the flop can be a lot of hands.

So, what is the best course of action on the river?

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12.00 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (12.00 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (15.00 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)

imported_leader 12-12-2005 05:09 AM

Re: Check or bet, that is the question
 
I'd bet/call one/fold for two more. CO could have a Q or busted draw and BT a Q, T, a broken fold button.

yellowjack 12-12-2005 05:14 AM

Re: Check or bet, that is the question
 
For UTG, what does "39/48" refer to?

scotty34 12-12-2005 05:27 AM

Re: Check or bet, that is the question
 
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For UTG, what does "39/48" refer to?

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My guess is WtSD and W$SD

As for the hand, yea I think you have to value bet it, and call a raise.

Saborion 12-12-2005 08:17 AM

Re: Check or bet, that is the question
 
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For UTG, what does "39/48" refer to?

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It's WSD and W$SD. Sorry about that.

Saborion 12-12-2005 08:25 AM

Re: Check or bet, that is the question
 
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As for the hand, yea I think you have to value bet it, and call a raise.

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Does it matter which player it is that raises? If the CO raises he's very likely to have the flush since the 2 is a very innocent card apart for putting a 3-flush out there.

And even though the button is loose, he's not overly aggressive, and he is up against a PFR plus someone who raised the flop. At the same time, a player with those stats can make some pretty funky things on occasions. I guess that plays a large part in us calling a raise if we bet?

You're advocating bet-call. Say we bet, CO raise, button cold-calls, we call? Or we bet, CO calls, button raises, we call?

jrz1972 12-12-2005 09:47 AM

Re: Check or bet, that is the question
 
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You're advocating bet-call. Say we bet, CO raise, button cold-calls, we call? Or we bet, CO calls, button raises, we call?

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I call both of those. Obviously we hate getting raised and we're probably no good, but we'll win the ~5% of the time we need to for calling to be right.

philnewall 12-12-2005 10:12 AM

Re: Check or bet, that is the question
 
Bet/fold, only thing that hit is a flush, they've been calling so a flush draw is very possible. No-ones gonna bluff raise this river, since it's 3-way and in a big pot.

gonzopro 12-12-2005 10:16 AM

Re: Check or bet, that is the question
 
This is a definite value bet. Typically if CO raised and the button called it would be an easy laydown, but the button seems to be showing down with any piece of the board which strengthens our crying call.

Saborion 12-12-2005 11:17 AM

PT query
 
How nice it would be to be able to set up a query using the PT DB to see how often top pair/an overpair is good in situations like this. Anyone know how to do this?


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