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fireitup123 07-14-2005 06:33 PM

completing the small blind
 
Hi,
I don't recall seeing much discussion on completing or folding the small blind here recently or in the archives. I've printed out a ton of archives and don't recall seeing it mentioned yet. Any links?

Few examples:

a. 10/20 game 4 callers your in the SB with Ac 7h

b. 10/20 game 2 callers your in the SB with Ac 3d

c. 10/20 game 4 callers your in the SB with 6d 9d

d. 10/20 game 4 callers your in the SB with qh 3h

e. 10/20 game 4 callers your in the SB with 8h Jd

f. 10/20 game 2 callers your in the SB with 8h 10d

g. 10/20 game 3 callers your in the SB with 10d 7d

The above are just a few examples I was considering. I'm more interested in your general thoughts and ideas on this issue. Specific examples welcome. Commentary on game conditions and how it affects your calls / folds welcome.

Thanks

edge 07-14-2005 07:04 PM

Re: completing the small blind
 
I think I fold all of those.

Chris Daddy Cool 07-14-2005 07:07 PM

Re: completing the small blind
 
It really depends on the quality of your opponents and the table dynamics. For the most part it really doesn't matter, unless you're terrific or horrible postflop one way or the other.

But I would think all the offsuit aces I would fold as a general rule.

xorbie 07-14-2005 07:33 PM

Re: completing the small blind
 
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c. 10/20 game 4 callers your in the SB with 6d 9d

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g. 10/20 game 3 callers your in the SB with 10d 7d

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Are the only two I would play, but I don't play this high. Also I'm assuming with so many limpers that this is full ring?

AZK 07-14-2005 07:39 PM

Re: completing the small blind
 
It also really depends on stack sizes, and player quality, bad loose/passive calling station types with deep stacks I probably call everyone of these hands...whereas a shallow tight/aggressive game, I muck almost all of them.

fsuplayer 07-14-2005 07:41 PM

Re: completing the small blind
 
i complete with the ace high hands if one or two of the limpers plays bad, and complete all the rest.

xorbie 07-14-2005 07:46 PM

Re: completing the small blind
 
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i complete with the ace high hands if one or two of the limpers plays bad, and complete all the rest.

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Can you explain the rational for completing an A3o type hand? Are you check/folding an A high flop? Check/calling? Leading out?

AZK 07-14-2005 07:58 PM

Re: completing the small blind
 
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Can you explain the rational for completing an A3o type hand? Are you check/folding an A high flop? Check/calling? Leading out?

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If opponents only bet when they have something, I lead.
If they are aggressive enough to say bet a Q on an AQ2 board, I normally check/call flop and lead the turn.
If they chase anything, I check.

The variations go on and on depending on who I'm against and how many players, etc...

Edit: Also depends on the board, less likely to lead out if there is some sort of draw out in a multiway pot, because then I have to give up on the turn....

xorbie 07-14-2005 08:07 PM

Re: completing the small blind
 
It just seems like completing A3 type hands is automatically forcing you to play against the lowest range of villains hands (middle pair, draws), which somewhat limits your creativity (having to basically always fold to resistance).

BluffTHIS! 07-14-2005 08:08 PM

Re: completing the small blind
 
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Can you explain the rational for completing an A3o type hand? Are you check/folding an A high flop? Check/calling? Leading out?

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Because he said if 1 or 2 of the limpers plays bad. That means that you fold top pair only flops most of the time, and hope to trap someone with a flopped full when they only have a board set or a board set of 3s when they have an overpair, or with a straight when they have a set or an overpair and won't get away from it.


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