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There really is a use to them. By looking at what people say are "default" plays against unknowns, I'm getting an idea whether or not I place a different value on particular hands, which in turn can lead to a reevaluation.

Plainly, everyone agrees that once you have some kind of read or info on the players, things can change substantially.

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Am I a grumpy dick if I point out again that I think these polls are wrong headed and probably encourage bad ABC play when the most important think about 6 max is the players at the table?

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why the question mark at the end? its not needed your right.

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but does it make him a grumpy dick. inquiring minds want to know.

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there needs to be a question mark because the sentence started with "Am I".

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btw dids i think youre wrong about hating these polls. we should all be astute enough to know that most hands arent profitable 100% of the time and most hands arent unprofitable 100% of the time. however, it takes a great amount of skill to really be able to determine when certain hands become more profitable then others and that skill involves alot of understanding of postflop concepts. these polls and preflop guidelines fix alot of preflop problems for good players who lack ability to understand these concepts. in the long run everybody should be trying to develop into a strong enough player to come to their own conclusions but in the meantime these guidelines will make those people alot of money who arent there yet.

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With A8o at this point 9 ppl said raise and 10 fold, but with KTo 15 raise and 4 fold. Even more interesting A7s 16 raise 3 fold, but A7o 2 raise 17 fold.

oh and I would like to play against the 1 person that would fold 66.

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btw dids i think youre wrong about hating these polls. we should all be astute enough to know that most hands arent profitable 100% of the time and most hands arent unprofitable 100% of the time. however, it takes a great amount of skill to really be able to determine when certain hands become more profitable then others and that skill involves alot of understanding of postflop concepts. these polls and preflop guidelines fix alot of preflop problems for good players who lack ability to understand these concepts. in the long run everybody should be trying to develop into a strong enough player to come to their own conclusions but in the meantime these guidelines will make those people alot of money who arent there yet.

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Polls encourage a quick, cursory thought process in response to what are difficult questions. They tend to not provide much content and do give a lot of people the wrong impression about preflop play.

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whats interesting to me is yours and alot of ther players lack of appreciation of suitedness. also interesting is your apparent value of ace high in comparison to KTo. i guess you value A2o more than KTo also? alot of ace high hands have significant reverse implied odds but most people dont seem to realize that. they just punch these hands into the pokerstove/twodimes applications and base their values strictly on hot and cold preflop equity.

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whats interesting to me is yours and alot of ther players lack of appreciation of suitedness. also interesting is your apparent value of ace high in comparison to KTo. i guess you value A2o more than KTo also? alot of ace high hands have significant reverse implied odds but most people dont seem to realize that. they just punch these hands into the pokerstove/twodimes applications and base their values strictly on hot and cold preflop equity.

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All very true. Nice post.

Krishan

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whats interesting to me is yours and alot of ther players lack of appreciation of suitedness. also interesting is your apparent value of ace high in comparison to KTo. i guess you value A2o more than KTo also? alot of ace high hands have significant reverse implied odds but most people dont seem to realize that. they just punch these hands into the pokerstove/twodimes applications and base their values strictly on hot and cold preflop equity.

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Please don't ever stop posting.

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