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12-20-2005 09:43 AM

I raise A9s on BB with 3 limpers. Correct?
 
I thought my pot equity preflop was larger then 25%, therefore was that a good raise?

The limpers were usual loose players.

How about the rest of te hand I played?

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, MP calls, CO folds, Button calls.

When I made the call after the reraise I was getting 7.75 : 1 pot odds and odds against making flus were 4.11 : 1. The implied odds were even bigger as I figured someone made str8/set. Was that a good call?

River: (20.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds, MP calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 4c 5h (straight, six high).
MP has 9h Qc (one pair, nines).
Button has 2s 2h (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: SB wins 23.50 BB. </font>

Donkey Kong 12-20-2005 10:01 AM

Re: I raise A9s on BB with 3 limpers. Correct?
 
Preflop: considering the fact that your opponents are the regular loose ones their range of hands is wide. You might well have an equity edge here, so I dont think the raise is all bad. I would probably not do it myself though, as pumping the pot preflop might make it correct for more people to chase (with low pairs, gutshots and stuff like that) Your PF hand is marginal, and you might rather try to limit the field on the flop if you see the opportunity.

I think you played the rest of the hand well. You had about 8 outs on the turn, so calling 2 back to you was correct.

12-20-2005 10:19 AM

Re: I raise A9s on BB with 3 limpers. Correct?
 
Preface: I have not read the results.

Raising A9s from the BB in 6-max is on the mark. Full ring it might be pushing it but it was the correct play here.

Hero's call on the turn is correct and fold on the river is ok when you didn't improve (Did I just say fold TPTK on a 20 BB pot for one bet? I hate doing that - but I'm 99.99% sure you're beat - especially with SB's donk)

Also, don't post your results - it skews the the analysis you get here.

tyler_cracker 12-20-2005 10:24 AM

Re: I raise A9s on BB with 3 limpers. Correct?
 
Don't post results, even in white.

Preflop, i'm always raising ATs here, so raising A9s can't be that bad. Without some specific reads, though, i'm just checking and seeing a flop.

On the turn, you have 9 outs to the nut flush plus 2 outs to top trips plus 3 more outs to top two pair. I hope you weren't thinking about folding? If SB hadn't check/raised, you should 3-bet this all day long.

All in all, nice hand.

imported_The Vibesman 12-20-2005 10:48 AM

Re: I raise A9s on BB with 3 limpers. Correct?
 
nh

benkath1 12-20-2005 11:14 AM

Re: I raise A9s on BB with 3 limpers. Correct?
 
nh.

Next time leave results out.

12-20-2005 11:54 AM

Re: I raise A9s on BB with 3 limpers. Correct?
 
i check preflop and call the river.

benkath1 12-20-2005 11:58 AM

Re: I raise A9s on BB with 3 limpers. Correct?
 
[ QUOTE ]
i check preflop and call the river.

[/ QUOTE ]

yes. I thought it said A9s on button.

I would check this in the BB too. On button it is a definate raise.

DMBFan23 12-20-2005 12:29 PM

Re: I raise A9s on BB with 3 limpers. Correct?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I thought my pot equity preflop was larger then 25%, therefore was that a good raise?

[/ QUOTE ]

you'd only need it to be larger than 20%, but aside from that, having an equity edge might not make it necessarily a good raise

deception5 12-20-2005 12:37 PM

Re: I raise A9s on BB with 3 limpers. Correct?
 
I'd usually check this preflop because the terrible position usually negates the slight equity advantage you have. You're in an awkward spot when the flop is 237r and may often end up spewing chips postflop (at least I do).

Also there's no folding that turn with the nut flush draw on an unpaired boad in a pot that size. Especially when there are that many players still calling.


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