check turn here or bet? fold river or call,a common annoying situation
 

PP 2/4$ no reads on players
im in CO with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

utg limps, mp limps , i raise,rest fold, they call

FLOP Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
checked to me i bet,utg calls,mp folds

Turn 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
checked to me ,i check

River: cant remember [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img],not a heart or higher than Q
he bets ,i fold

Basically i cant be arsed betting the turn,he may have a beter hand already, he might cr,he might cr bluff,id rather take the free card

on the river,he could be bluffing,but again i cant be arsed,

cmon i need help with overcards missing flops
 

its driving me mad

Re: cmon i need help with overcards missing flops
 

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I think it just depends on the size of the pot, your read on your opponent, and the texture of the board. If it was a low card, I had no read, I would consider calling here.

Re: check turn here or bet? fold river or call,a common annoying situation
 

I would've played it the same way. It sucks but without having a read on the player, I would fold the river.

Re: check turn here or bet? fold river or call,a common annoying situation
 

with no reads this is about the only way to play it i think. my favorite way would be bet the turn and see the free showdown, but against an unknown we dont know what to expect - a turn c/r, a river donk, etc. and we dont know what we expect to see @ the river - middle pair, a flush or 9high. this pot is small enough that it doesn't hurt to lose it. wait until you have a hand/read to fight over a pot like this i think.