Ansky451 is weak-tight at heart*
 

* Title stolen directly from a Gigabet thread.


This is from the Stars 700k. I have been card dead out of my mind, and have a very tight table image. The sb is sort of new to the table, and I have no significant reads. The bb seems to be good, but is VERY tight, and has not shown any inclination to bluff. The table is very aggressive, almost no walks to the big blinds, and a 3x open raise almost every hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) converter

MP3 (t7500)
CO (t3980)
Hero (t3195)
SB (t12639)
BB (t9350)
UTG (t9525)
UTG+1 (t6790)
MP1 (t5220)
MP2 (t4140)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

I open raise to 600, SB smooth calls, BB requests time for a few seconds, then raises to 2400.


I fold.

Thoughts?

Re: Ansky451 is weak-tight at heart*
 

You're way behind his range then. Good fold.

I imagine he doesn't do this without TT-AA, AK, AQs.

Re: Ansky451 is weak-tight at heart*
 

pretty standard here, I don't usually play 9's after a raise behind me by a tight player... plus he put in 4times as much you put in, so he's pretty serious about the hand.

Re: Ansky451 is weak-tight at heart*
 

yep.. and if he's really that tight I'd imagine him smooth calling 10's, JJ, and AQs.

Re: Ansky451 is weak-tight at heart*
 

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pretty standard here, I don't usually play 9's after a raise behind me by a tight player... plus he put in 4times as much you put in, so he's pretty serious about the hand.

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Can't really add much, but you took the time to respond to mine recently so...

Have to agree with the above, with that big of a raise, he doesn't want you to call and doesn't seem to want to play post flop, smells like TT-QQ or an outside chance of AKs. Think you have to fold here and look for a better spot.

Re: Ansky451 is weak-tight at heart*
 

that would be a super loose call.

Re: Ansky451 is weak-tight at heart*
 

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yep.. and if he's really that tight I'd imagine him smooth calling 10's, JJ, and AQs.

[/ QUOTE ]i doubt it
if he is a good player like stated he will notice the position raise
tight doesnt mean passive

Re: Ansky451 is weak-tight at heart*
 

oh yes our hero is on the button, didn't see that little (important) factoid.

Re: Ansky451 is weak-tight at heart*
 

4400 in the pot, 2600 to you (ignore the fact that he hasn't put you AI yet) Yeah, that's a call. 1.69:1 on the call, meaning you need 37% equity. Using Tiger's ridiculously tight standard that includes no hands that you dominate (and all hands that dominate youj) AA-TT, AK, AQs you have 33% eq.

Using a more realistic range:

Hand 1: 40.8554 % [ 00.41 00.00 ] { 99 }
Hand 2: 59.1446 % [ 00.59 00.00 ] { AA-TT, AKs-AJs, AKo-AJo }

Vs. a loose range:

Hand 1: 48.6550 % [ 00.48 00.01 ] { 99 }
Hand 2: 51.3450 % [ 00.51 00.01 ] { AA-77, AKs-ATs, KQs-KJs, AKo-ATo, KQo

And if we simply open Tiger's range to include AQo:
Hand 1: 37.2601 % [ 00.37 00.00 ] { 99 }
Hand 2: 62.7399 % [ 00.63 00.00 ] { AA-TT, AKs-AQs, AKo-AQo }

it is still a call.

Re: Ansky451 is weak-tight at heart*
 

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1.69:1 on the call, meaning you need 37% equity

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thats to see all 5 cards though. using PF equities is really only applicable when you're getting all in. Well not totally, but you know.

edit: yea i just saw that hero will bsaically be all in. I'm a tool.