Auto fold program
 

Is there a Auto fold program?
I play a lot of low-limit holdem, the biggest problem is that I have to observe the game all the time. I need a program that can fold the hands I don't want to play, and notice me with a sound when a playable hand comes.

Re: Auto fold program
 

Too close to a bot I'm afraid - it would get you banned.

Re: Auto fold program
 

Are you sure?
It is not a bot, it is just a program that fold the hands I usually would fold..

Re: Auto fold program
 

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Are you sure?
It is not a bot, it is just a program that fold the hands I usually would fold..

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And a bot is a program that plays hands the way you would normally play hands, right?

Re: Auto fold program
 

This type of program is definitely banned at a lot of sites because it falls under the "autoplay" category.

Re: Auto fold program
 

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This type of program is definitely banned at a lot of sites because it falls under the "autoplay" category.

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Off the record...

Not that they'd catch you though. More a question of personal ethics.

Re: Auto fold program
 

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This type of program is definitely banned at a lot of sites because it falls under the "autoplay" category.

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Off the record...

Not that they'd catch you though. More a question of personal ethics.

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No doubt. I personally don't have a problem with an autofolder.

Re: Auto fold program
 

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No doubt. I personally don't have a problem with an autofolder.

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Well, what is the name of it...

Re: Auto fold program
 

I created one and it worked pretty well, but it basically useless at limits above 5/10 and maybe below. The problem is that you should consider stealing with just about anything against the right kind of players from late position. I just wasn't interested in the added element of "not folding" when you have a stealing opportunity. Although it may seem like a great idea, its not quite as helpful as you'd imagine, because 1/5 of the time (at a 10-handed table) you're in a blind.

Re: Auto fold program
 

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And a bot is a program that plays hands the way you would normally play hands, right?


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Well not really. I don't think that a program can be a better player than a good human player. But a program can help a human player. Like Poker Office, or the countless programs who calculate odds.
I would say that a bot is a program that played the entire hand, not just folding preflop.

Re: Auto fold program
 

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I would say that a bot is a program that played the entire hand, not just folding preflop.

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Wrong, but OK.

Re: Auto fold program
 

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I created one and it worked pretty well, but it basically useless at limits above 5/10 and maybe below. The problem is that you should consider stealing with just about anything against the right kind of players from late position. I just wasn't interested in the added element of "not folding" when you have a stealing opportunity. Although it may seem like a great idea, its not quite as helpful as you'd imagine, because 1/5 of the time (at a 10-handed table) you're in a blind.

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It should offcause have the abillity to just notify me when I'm in the blinds or first to act in LP.

Re: Auto fold program
 

Ethics [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Auto fold program
 

Spend the observation time getting reads on your opposition. It's called getting better.

Re: Auto fold program
 

Once you automate any part of your play, you're a bot.

A fairly EV neutral bot in this case, but a bot.

Re: Auto fold program
 

Some of the "Build your own" Bots use AutoIT and I think it would be relatively simple to take one of these and adapt it to do what you want - if you understand programming.

But the others are right - unless you're very careful/sneaky, using AutoIT can get you banned.

Regards,

Paul

Re: Auto fold program
 

AutoIT is comparable to VB, would having VB installed get me banned? What about a C++ compiler, what about Perl or Apache?

Not to mention that you could just compile it to an exe and you wouldn't even need AutoIT installed.

To the OP, I created this exact program about 2 weeks ago (strange enough) but I only programmed it to work with 1 site. I'm constantly switching sites and chasing bonuses, so I just don't think it's worth the time to program it to work with the majority of sites. It'd need constant maintenance too.

I think it's just easier to 4 table and use the auto fold buttons.

There\'s A Reason Talented People Build Bots
 

I'll just give a personal example:

I make 100 trades/day on the NYSE...
And make about $1,000/day...
And I make money about 80% of trading days.

Now...
I am not a "great trader" - just a "very good" trader.
I used to trade in the now defunct Toronto Stock Exchange Futures pit...
So I have known many natural "great traders".


BUT...
Several computers...
And some very elaborate proprietary software that I have developed over 10 years...
Allow me to be ** very profitable **.

After researching poker for 5-6 months...
Pretty much the same thing applies to Online Poker...
SNGs in particular.

A "very good" poker player assisted by the right proprietary software...
Can generate the income of a "great player"...
And with somewhat less variance.

There is a large group of computer engineer types...
Who believe that "collusion" is cheating...
But view "computer assisted play" as OK and inevitable.

Also people from the stock trading world...
Where Automated Trading Systems are ubiquitous...
Do not view "computer assisted play" as unethical.

Also...
And this may come as a great shock to you...
But there are a lot of computer engineer types...
That would rather spend 1000 hours of fascinating work building a Bot...
Than spending 40 soul-destroying minutes times 1,000 or 10,000...
Playing slo mo poker with the idiots at the $11s.

Bots are here to stay...
And are just building momentum.

Eventually...
They will be part of the online scenery...
Just like program trading on the NYSE.

It's a battle Party Poker cannot win...
Because, ultimately, it's the owners that control their computers.

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Re: There\'s A Reason Talented People Build Bots
 

Good to hear from a trader, I've thought for a while that we will eventually have many of the same auto trading programs etc... converted in a sense to do the same thing for poker.

Poker and trading are so much alike that it isn't funny, poker just has less unknown information...

If it's good enough for trading...

And I don't know anyone who trades even with auto trading programs that would just walk away from there computer, they still monitor the situation and have ultimate say and control...

I don't think a bot that runs itself is the way to go but I would support things that make my job easier by reducing the redundant information and making simple decisions that anyone with half a brain would make...

Don't they have something like this for blackjack online that follows basic rules...

I think this definately needs to be addressed by a multinational organization for poker that works with the online poker sites and communities, sorta like the united nations [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Just some thoughts

One Street at a Time
wdbaker Denver, Co

Re: There\'s A Reason Talented People Build Bots
 

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I'll just give a personal example:

I make 100 trades/day on the NYSE...
And make about $1,000/day...
And I make money about 80% of trading days.

Now...
I am not a "great trader" - just a "very good" trader.
I used to trade in the now defunct Toronto Stock Exchange Futures pit...
So I have known many natural "great traders".


BUT...
Several computers...
And some very elaborate proprietary software that I have developed over 10 years...
Allow me to be ** very profitable **.

After researching poker for 5-6 months...
Pretty much the same thing applies to Online Poker...
SNGs in particular.

A "very good" poker player assisted by the right proprietary software...
Can generate the income of a "great player"...
And with somewhat less variance.

There is a large group of computer engineer types...
Who believe that "collusion" is cheating...
But view "computer assisted play" as OK and inevitable.

Also people from the stock trading world...
Where Automated Trading Systems are ubiquitous...
Do not view "computer assisted play" as unethical.

Also...
And this may come as a great shock to you...
But there are a lot of computer engineer types...
That would rather spend 1000 hours of fascinating work building a Bot...
Than spending 40 soul-destroying minutes times 1,000 or 10,000...
Playing slo mo poker with the idiots at the $11s.

Bots are here to stay...
And are just building momentum.

Eventually...
They will be part of the online scenery...
Just like program trading on the NYSE.

It's a battle Party Poker cannot win...
Because, ultimately, it's the owners that control their computers.

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You forgot to tell us what this is to the tune of.

Re: Auto fold program
 

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..the biggest problem is that I wan to win money, but I'm too lazy to actually play poker

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fyp

Re: Auto fold program
 

As others have said, an autofold program IS a bot, and you WILL get banned if you get caught using it, and you might even have the money in your account seized.

I don't think any of us would consider the use of such a minor bot to be unethical, though. If you think you can get away with it, and want to take the risk, go for it.

Re: Auto fold program
 

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As others have said, an autofold program IS a bot, and you WILL get banned if you get caught using it, and you might even have the money in your account seized.

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Depends on what site you plan on using this program. Ultimate Bet and their skins approve of it's usage.

Re: Auto fold program
 

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AutoIT is comparable to VB, would having VB installed get me banned? What about a C++ compiler, what about Perl or Apache?

Not to mention that you could just compile it to an exe and you wouldn't even need AutoIT installed.

To the OP, I created this exact program about 2 weeks ago (strange enough) but I only programmed it to work with 1 site. I'm constantly switching sites and chasing bonuses, so I just don't think it's worth the time to program it to work with the majority of sites. It'd need constant maintenance too.

I think it's just easier to 4 table and use the auto fold buttons.

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Even if you compiled it to an .exe and ran it, Party could still find it if they really wanted to. They can see any process running on your PC when their client is open, take screenshots if they want, all that kinda stuff. Not that they'd bother for an autofolder, but for a proper full play bot, perhaps...

I wouldn't have a problem with an autofolder ethically.

Re: Auto fold program
 

Magnus,
You should try Fold'em. It'll take care of your trash hands preflop and also play a sound. There's a free trial.

Check out www.fold-em.com

-3putt

Re: Auto fold program
 

fold'em looks kinda cool as a concept but the way it's designed seems kinda useless...

1. if I could see all the tables I wouldn't need it.
2. the purpose for having such a thing is so that you could run from 6 to 20 tables on one screen, only the tables that have a potential hand would pop up, the rest would be out of site.
3. needs to read the hh file as it is written, not screen capture, eliminating the need to see all tables.

right concept, wrong programming

unless you were just brand new at multitabling i guess...

Just my review

One Street at a Time
wdbaker Denver, Co

Re: Auto fold program
 

Has anyone tried this at the party skins?

I would love to try it to help multi table but don't want to risk any problems?

They give instructions on avoiding detection and I don't have any moral issues with it. I mean really what is the difference?

Any info appreciated.

Re: Auto fold program
 

wateronrock,
If you have any future ambitions re: Party Poker or skins which is currently the warehouse for fish and you are making any money and would not like to lose your bankroll, I would not take anyones word for it on a forum.

Just wait for a while, the truth will prevail and you will have others who can try it and contact Party Poker and skins to determine if it violates the TOC. They will also be the first ones to complain when their bankroll is confiscated versus those who are successfully using it and will never tell as they may be outed.

P.S. The fact that you/or they(the company) are taking evasive measures should give you enough heads up for right now to back away from this...

Just my thoughts

I also am not trying to discourage the maker of this device as I would love one if it did what I needed it to do and it was openly not against the TOC of my favorite hunting ground.

So keep up the good work Fold'em, get us some better documentation re: Party skins feelings on the matter and a way to read the HH's as they arrive so you don't need to screen scrape requiring all windows be visible. We need this for 6+ tables not 6 or less, anyone can do that by himself with a little practice...

One Street at a Time
wdbaker Denver, Co

Re: Auto fold program
 

Thanks for the reply wdbaker.

I don't mind it having to screen scrape as I use two monitors, so all eight screens are visible.

I have a feeling that if it is possible to use this programe without problems from party, that those who are using it will try and keep it quiet. The less users, the less likely that party will bother with it.

Multi tablers would be very interested in this software, so why isn't there more interest?

I make a living on party skins so I have to be carefull.
Feel free to PM me with any info, it would be appreciated.

Re: Auto fold program
 

no agenda on my behalf and I don't have anything like this happening yet...

This software must be awfully new though cause I've never seen it before so now that it has been noted here, it wouldn't surprise me if others try it and will come crying back hear if they lose their accts within a short time...

my guess is you'll know fairly soon if Party is going to buy into it. They already are checking people who are using any kind of macro as a hotkey because they know this could lead to automation with a little knowhow.

Just be careful is all I'm saying

One Street at a Time
wdbaker Denver, Co

Re: Auto fold program
 

I emailed the fold-em creators, empire, party, and paradise. Fold-em said they didn't know if the app was allowed. The three casinos said "No way" and weren't unclear about it. I forwarded the emails to fold-em, since they hadn't heard. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I think the app would have been nice, but not such a big deal. You're only going to code-in decisions that require NO thought. (If it's a hand you'd play with enough callers, or under certain conditions, you'd just have fold-em leave it alone. I can fold 82o w/o any thought.)
-Sam

Re: Auto fold program
 

At the present time, poker site are primarily concerned about...
1. Any type of autoplay program that actually pushes buttons for you.
2. Any type of data sharing app, that gives you info you have not personally collected.

They so far are less concerned about...
1. BOT AI that suggests what you should do, but a human actually pushes the butttons.
2. Data collections programs that collect and display data collected during your own personal play.