I never know if I should fold these
 

Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG checks, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.00 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (10.00 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero ....

They kill me. I know I have to call the turn for the hidden outs, but then when i never improve on the river I'm alway s stuck not knowing what to do.

Re: I never know if I should fold these
 

Reads make this a lot easier. It's still tough, but it's a lot easier.

Re: I never know if I should fold these
 

seriously, we usually all do what you do if the board is like this:

1) fold and wonder if we were good
or
2)call down, get pissed off if we lose, and think we're good if we win

I honestly don't think there's too much of a difference here. A9 I might fold, but AT I might call. It's pretty arbitrary

Re: I never know if I should fold these
 

jsut q798t ntopw =uoui never win at po ker.,

ajust ask rkursho. kurohsc. l kruchose. kurosh. there we go.

Re: I never know if I should fold these
 

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jsut q798t ntopw =uoui never win at po ker.,

ajust ask rkursho. kurohsc. l kruchose. kurosh. there we go.

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Somehow, I managed to translate that. Wasn't very useful tho [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

BTW, what's your old name?

Re: I never know if I should fold these
 

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Reads make this a lot easier. It's still tough, but it's a lot easier.

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I know they do but it still comes up enough where I gotta know how to do it vs unknown. And Jax, those are my thoughts exactly [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: I never know if I should fold these
 

On this board, there are just not enough A's that you beat, let alone A's that would raise that you beat. I think this is a fold against most players.

While knowing the proper action against an unknown is great and all, you should minimize the amount of time that a player is ever unknown. It would at least be polite to tell reponders to use their default player. That tells us you've at least thought about reads and such rather than just cut and pasting from the converter.

Re: I never know if I should fold these
 

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On this board, there are just not enough A's that you beat, let alone A's that would raise that you beat. I think this is a fold against most players.

While knowing the proper action against an unknown is great and all, you should minimize the amount of time that a player is ever unknown. It would at least be polite to tell reponders to use their default player. That tells us you've at least thought about reads and such rather than just cut and pasting from the converter.

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Roger [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: I never know if I should fold these
 

I'd fold. That river card sucked majorly re: wookie's point.

Re: I never know if I should fold these
 

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jsut q798t ntopw =uoui never win at po ker.,

ajust ask rkursho. kurohsc. l kruchose. kurosh. there we go.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm confused?

Guess I might as well talk about the hand too. I don't know how 1/2 plays. I'd guess they are passive? If they are passive, I'd say you're looking at a minimum of 2-pair. If they're really passive and they only do this with a set or better, I'd fold. If it's 2-pair, then call and fold the river UI. I don't think you are ever good on the river.