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joker122 08-13-2005 03:15 PM

Re: basics: opening A2o in SB
 
i don't even bet the turn.

MicroBob 08-13-2005 03:31 PM

Re: basics: opening A2o in SB
 
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It seems that in blind battles, many SH players simply ignore the top card on the flop

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and they are generally correct to do so.
HEFAP recommends changing the highest flop-card into a 2 (in your head) and play accordingly. This will be close to correct play much of the time.

If your opponent is so weak that they won't 'pay you off' when an ace hits the flop then you should probably be raising even more in this situation...to set up future steals on the flop when you raise his BB with QJ and you miss the flop completely but an A or K hits.


I just don't see how folding A2 against strong opponents would be warranted here.
Makes very little sense to me and seems to go very much against recommendations for short-handed or heads-up play from HEFAP or this forum.

kamelion44 08-13-2005 03:34 PM

Re: basics: opening A2o in SB
 
I agree 100%.

cmwck 08-13-2005 03:40 PM

Re: basics: opening A2o in SB
 
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i don't even bet the turn.

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Against calling-station types I give up on the turn as well.

tablecop 08-13-2005 04:08 PM

Re: basics: opening A2o in SB
 
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It seems that in blind battles, many SH players simply ignore the top card on the flop

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and they are generally correct to do so.
HEFAP recommends changing the highest flop-card into a 2 (in your head) and play accordingly. This will be close to correct play much of the time.

If your opponent is so weak that they won't 'pay you off' when an ace hits the flop then you should probably be raising even more in this situation...to set up future steals on the flop when you raise his BB with QJ and you miss the flop completely but an A or K hits.


I just don't see how folding A2 against strong opponents would be warranted here.
Makes very little sense to me and seems to go very much against recommendations for short-handed or heads-up play from HEFAP or this forum.

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the 2/5 structure of the blinds influences the decision here. I'll open raise 45-50% of my hands from the SB but A2o and A3o are passes.

MicroBob 08-13-2005 04:13 PM

Re: basics: opening A2o in SB
 
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I'll open raise 45-50% of my hands from the SB but A2o and A3o are passes.

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A2o should easily be in your top 45% of hands you would want to play heads-up.
(S&M in HEFAP were going off top 40% of hands and any ace was included...and obviously so imo).


I don't even agree with the idea that the blind-structure makes a differene with the any-ace hands. I would raise this in a battle of the blinds even if the SB was zero. And certainly raise it when it's 2/5 or 1/2 or 2/3 or anything else.

me454555 08-13-2005 04:20 PM

Re: basics: opening A2o in SB
 
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i don't even bet the turn

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Care to explain why? Many hands have flopped 2 overcards here and might be willing to peel the flop and hope they hit their hand or pick up a draw. Absent of a read, I feel a turn bet is warrented every time.

MicroBob 08-13-2005 04:27 PM

Re: basics: opening A2o in SB
 
I agree.
Lots of players will call on the flop with their overcards or even 22 or something....and then look at the bet on the turn and say 'meh...I don't have any part of this board nor a 5...I fold'
The chances of winning the pot with a turn bet are too strong to just give it up (which checking essentially does since he will now bluff at it even with nothing much of the time and you obviously can't call)

Warik 08-13-2005 04:48 PM

Re: basics: opening A2o in SB
 
Prelfop: I raise
Flop: I bet
Turn: I check and fold to a bet
River: I bet and fold to a raise

paco 08-13-2005 05:13 PM

Re: basics: opening A2o in SB
 
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Many hands have flopped 2 overcards here and might be willing to peel the flop and hope they hit their hand or pick up a draw. Absent of a read, I feel a turn bet is warrented every time.

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After a called turn bet do you check fold the river?


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