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villain in this hand is a very good player. probably better than me. he might think im runoverable because we played heads up for 20 hands yesterday of which he won 17. it was gross and he was turbo aggressive but i had no cards.

I open QTo from the CO and he 3bets me on the BT. blinds fold and i call

flop is T63r

i check and call

turn is a blank

i check planning to checkraise

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i love it....
i think your ahead, i know hes not folding, and your plays +ev a ton of the time, plus his 3 bet hands here are wide in variety

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Was this simply an informative post?

I don't see any other options.

Edit: I do this even if the villain is simply a regular agressive fellow, and not necessarily the opponent you described.

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Looks pretty reasonable. What is your plan if he 3 bets the turn? How about if he calls and raises a blank river?

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call down cause my image sucks

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TS,

In general, how do you decide between this line and c/raising the flop and continuing?

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Why is this line superior to just check-raising the flop?

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TS,

In general, how do you decide between this line and c/raising the flop and continuing?

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I check raise the turn when villain is pretty agro, the board isn't too scary, and he is likely to follow through. I also do it with a stronger hand. If my hand is more vulnerable, or I am not too sure he will bet the turn, I check/rase the flop.

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Seems totally standard to me. Not that one should always do this, but that this is one of several lines that should be used with some frequency (along with c/ring the flop, donk betting the flop, etc.).

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Why is this line superior to just check-raising the flop?

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letting him bluff the turn + getting more money in there + metagame bluffing purposes

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im going to be calling this flop with just about any 2 since its such a harmless board and his hand range is so large. i expect him to follow through on the turn just about every time sept maybe for those times he has Ax and wants to check turn call river bet.

the thing is however, if his ace is strong he should be betting the turn for value and often should be following through on the river for value. if he has a weak ace he shouldnt be paying off to a checkraise flop bet turn line anyway.

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This is my standard line in this situation.

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does anyone c/c flop then lead the turn on any non ace or king? i love this line and think you get looked up a great percentage of the time. if raised then call down.

-tony

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Compared to a flop check/raise, your line gets more money in, and more of it goes in when your equity is much better against his range. Even if he can get away from the no pair hands on the turn, you still net more compared to the check-raise/bet line if his plan is to fold overs.

Here's a thought and I'm not sure if it warrants discussion. If you check-raise the flop and lead the turn, he's getting 6.75-1 to call (ignoring rake.) If he has 6 outs, he should call since his odds of winning are 6.66-1. It's real thin and if he discounts at all he's done. If you call the flop and check-raise the turn, he's getting 7.75-1 to call. Now, it's an easy call if he thinks his 6 outs are good, and a lot closer if he discounts 1 out. By FTP, he should see a river in both situations (ignoring the FTP errors he already may have made,) but the second instance is much easier, and the first instance may be incorrect when rake is considered. This is important since your line may induce a correct turn call and lose the whole pot some of the time.

And after saying all that, I like your line and use it a lot against players who have been floating on me liberally and are unlikely to take free cards.

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Why is this line superior to just check-raising the flop?

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Because hes prolly aggressive enough he's almost always betting any turn.

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i posted this hand mainly because he checked behind on the turn i was mad. the river paired tens and i bet and he folded.

like wtf? i cant see there being a hand he could have that was played correctly here unless he knew that i wouldnt bluff this river which he couldnt imo. im peeling this flop with almost any hand.

give my BB you jerk!