limit transition to no limit
 

i have been a limit player for about 2 years now, started 2/4 and currently at 15/30. most of my play is online and occasionally in casinos when i get a chance to go. when me and my buddies get together we play 1/2 to 2/5 NL.
being that i am so used to limit hold em, i have a hard time adjusting to NL. to me, play is so different. every street is so difficult to make a decision on. limit is just much more mechanical than NL. im sure this subject has been discussed here before, but i just want to see if anyone can offer any comments or advice as to how i can adjust to NL. thanks

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NL is much easier than limit.

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You are asking too much - it's not like you are asking "how do I drive a car", you are asking "how do build a car from scratch."

Start reading the NL small stakes forum and ask single, pointed questions there - you will get answers. If you want to start reading books on NL, read the "books" forum and ask there what would be a good NL starters book.

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NL is much easier than limit.

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Everybody has their own opinion - mine differs greatly from this.

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NL is much easier than limit.

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NL against bad players is much easier than Limit against bad players.

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I agree with 'dogmeat' this is a complex question, and his suggestions for specific questions and book inquiries are sound.
Still as an expierenced Limit Player you should have a leg up (just watch where you aim) if your buddies don't play correctly.
[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I'll throw a suggestion in &gt; Look in the <u>chapter on NoLimit / satellite</u> play in Lee Jones 3rd edition book called Winning Low Limit Holdem . The reason I suggest this is because I think the transition from Limit to NL requires first understanding the fundamental proper NL betting (amounts,at least the basics). Jones also throws in some other "neat" stuff in this chapter.

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The main difference I see is that in Limit it's rarely the right move to fold a hand on the river just to save one bet. But, In NL, that one bet can be anything. In fact, it can be bigger than the pot itself.

IMO, the math guys tend to gravitate towards limit; the psychologists, to NL.

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IMO, the math guys tend to gravitate towards limit; the psychologists, to NL.

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I think you're right. It's very easy to see at the table the guys that are used to limit by how they bet their hands. They don't understand, in limit you're trying to maximize small edges. In NL you're trapping and getting your opponent to make big mistakes. Concealing the strength of a hand is more important as the payoff is higher.

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NL is much easier than limit.

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That, sir, is assinine. They are two similar games with different strategies. Some people excel at one while others excel at the other. Some people can play one very well, and suck at the other. To say one is easier than the other is way off the mark. I disagree with you, sir.

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A high winrate at low limit to mid limit hold'em is generally agreed upon to be 3-4BB/100. The accepted ceiling we will say is 4BB/100. In NL, at the corresponding levels, 8-12PTBB/100 is a good winrate with really good players being able to hammer out 15-18PTBB/100 in the lowest games. We will use the ceiling to be 18PTBB/100 for NL.

I grab one million people at random. I have half of them play NL ring and half play limit ring. I believe I will have a much higher percentage of people beating the NL games for a "good" rate (~8PTBB/100) than you will have people beating limit for a "good" rate (~3BB/100).

Do people disagree with this?