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chris_a 01-24-2005 11:10 AM

AKo UTG hand on party 0.5/1.0.. thoughts?
 
Reads: Button is LA-P after 47 hands and in my opinion isn't so good. MP1 is sLA-A after 44 hands.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (20.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.25 BB

easypete 01-24-2005 11:15 AM

Re: AKo UTG hand on party 0.5/1.0.. thoughts?
 
I play it about the same.

I would tend to bet the river, but MP1 and button changing roles twice is scary. I would normally put the button on a hand like 88, the way he played the turn, but then when he calls the river, I think you're ahead here and would have raised.

jrz1972 01-24-2005 11:20 AM

Re: AKo UTG hand on party 0.5/1.0.. thoughts?
 
Pre-flop: I would cap.

Flop: Fine.

Turn: After Button caps the flop, I would just check this. Granted, he may have been pumping a flush draw, but players at this limit don't bet on the come like they're supposed to. I would tend to put him on a made hand that he really likes despite have two pre-flop raisers in the hand with him. When it's two bets back to you, fold.

chris_a 01-24-2005 11:20 AM

Re: AKo UTG hand on party 0.5/1.0.. thoughts?
 
I was more worried about MP1. I may have missed the river raise, but I want to get more opinions about this. Based on the way the button plays I was sure he didn't have a set at this point.

But based on all the aggression, I'm not sure at all that MP1 doesn't have a set. I'm sure I'm making money from the button with a raise, but probably losing money to MP1. What do you think? Would yo ustill raise?

chris_a 01-24-2005 11:22 AM

Re: AKo UTG hand on party 0.5/1.0.. thoughts?
 
In fact, he was the type of player who was betting on the come quite a bit. I didn't want to give a free card. If it gets raised, so be it.

jrz1972 01-24-2005 11:22 AM

Re: AKo UTG hand on party 0.5/1.0.. thoughts?
 
You toss in two more cold on the turn even with the possibility of a cap behind you?

jrz1972 01-24-2005 11:23 AM

Re: AKo UTG hand on party 0.5/1.0.. thoughts?
 
[ QUOTE ]
In fact, he was the type of player who was betting on the come quite a bit. I didn't want to give a free card. If it gets raised, so be it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Then you should include that in your reads. All you told us was that you thought he was passive post-flop (and not very good in general).

chris_a 01-24-2005 11:26 AM

Re: AKo UTG hand on party 0.5/1.0.. thoughts?
 
That's why I'm clarifying it now. Sometimes it's hard to include every last relevant detail about a player in my reads. I saw him play lots of hands (since he was loose) and had a lot of information about him. Some of it was relevant and some irrelevant.

However, the main reason I bet into him here was that I thought he'd easily bet hard with a worse King than mine. The free card was a secondary consideration.

chris_a 01-24-2005 11:29 AM

Re: AKo UTG hand on party 0.5/1.0.. thoughts?
 
So anyway, given that I did bet the turn, would you cap when it comes back for 2 more? or fold? (since we know you wouldn't call)

DMBFan23 01-24-2005 11:32 AM

Re: AKo UTG hand on party 0.5/1.0.. thoughts?
 
I'm probably folding the turn when a passive postflop player (who capped the flop) also 3 bets the turn. I just couldn't have a good enough read at this point to know how he plays sets vs. draws on the turn, and calling this down against an unknown has to be -EV.

sounds like you won though, so nice hand.


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