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and we've been cheated once

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Equalized!!!!!!!! Was worried this one would somehow be disallowed too.

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The refereeing was faultless. Learn to shoot penalties, FGS!
 

The disallowed goal was correctly disallowed. An England player had his arm around the keeper and prevented him inside his area from reaching the ball. This used to be looked upon with benign neglect in football (and, especially, in British football) but not-any-more!

To understand how far things have changed in the game, in this respect, you can compare the above foul with the David Webb aerial-tackle-cum-header that equalized the game in the 1970 Chelsea-Leeds FA Cup Final.

England is out because Rooney got injured and because they are simply incapable to shoot a decent penalty. The whole bunch of the first five England penalties in the shootout was atrocious! Truly horrible. The takers were simply banging away hard without any marksmanship. (If the Portuguese goalkeeper had done any homework, he could have saved a lot more. He obviously had not.)

As to Wayne Rooney, he got injured in a small incident that got bad because of the boy's weight. His foot got under the Portuguese player's by accident but Rooney's weight turned what should have been a scratch into a more serious thing. If Rooney had stayed on, the Portuguese would not have the counter-attack as easily as they had. Well, watch it so that the man does not become another bloated "wasted talent" like Gazza became.

...I don't get it. This is, what? the fourth or fifth time that they go out in the shootout phase in a major tournament?? I have lost score. Doesn't the England manager know this? Isn't he supposed to, you know, train them a bit more in that particular activity? Prepare them technically as well as mentally?

It appears that in the case of Beckham, at least, Sven had done nothing of the sort.

--Cyrus

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The disallowed goal was correctly disallowed. An England player had his arm around the keeper and prevented him inside his area from reaching the ball. This used to be looked upon with benign neglect in football (and, especially, in British football) but not-any-more!

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Wrong. The England Player (Lampard I think) was just standing his ground. The keeper as he was rising to attempt to get the ball got tangled in his left arm but was not fouled, Lampard was not exertibg pressure on his shoulder to force him away from the ball. It's not obstruction because he is not stopping the keeper from getting the ball when making no attempt to get the ball himself. It was a perfectly good goal.

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To understand how far things have changed in the game, in this respect, you can compare the above foul with the David Webb aerial-tackle-cum-header that equalized the game in the 1970 Chelsea-Leeds FA Cup Final.

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Why I am obviously biased things have gone to far. You can't get near a keeper now without it being a foul should the keeper screw up. They are too overprotected.

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England is out because Rooney got injured and because they are simply incapable to shoot a decent penalty. The whole bunch of the first five England penalties in the shootout was atrocious! Truly horrible. The takers were simply banging away hard without any marksmanship. (If the Portuguese goalkeeper had done any homework, he could have saved a lot more. He obviously had not.)

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Cyrus, the Rooney injury was a blow but not catastrophic. I don't think you understand Penelties, apart from Beckhams and Vessels they were fine. If they go in they are good penalties if the keeper doesn't have to make a save they are crap. As simple as that. As for keepers doing their homework it can help with their initial guess as to which direction the taker might strike the ball but that is all. He either guesses right or he guesses wrong. I agree a top footballer should always be able to score a penalty and 9 times out of 10 they will but they are far from perfect.

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As to Wayne Rooney, he got injured in a small incident that got bad because of the boy's weight. His foot got under the Portuguese player's by accident but Rooney's weight turned what should have been a scratch into a more serious thing. If Rooney had stayed on, the Portuguese would not have the counter-attack as easily as they had. Well, watch it so that the man does not become another bloated "wasted talent" like Gazza became.

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This is a joke right?

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...I don't get it. This is, what? the fourth or fifth time that they go out in the shootout phase in a major tournament?? I have lost score. Doesn't the England manager know this? Isn't he supposed to, you know, train them a bit more in that particular activity? Prepare them technically as well as mentally?

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Their shootouts, a lot of luck is involved in penalties, the difference between the players abilities from 12 yards is miniscule.
England lost because of a bad referring decision and because they are not as good as most of England believe. Portugal are a better side (as are France, Holland, Spain and Italy) but on any given day they can beat any side, they did not deserve to lose yesterday and they played very well but Portugal could equally claim they played as well if not better and deserved the victory.

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It appears that in the case of Beckham, at least, Sven had done nothing of the sort.

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Beckham is one of the best players and ball strikers in the world. SGE could have not trained or said anything to him to make him a better penalty shooter. He just f*%ked up.

England are a good side but until they can string more than 6 passes together without losing possesion or just lobbing it up front they will be nothing more. The way football is structured in the UK from grassroots to the professional level it may be a while before the simple act of passing a round object to someone wearing the same colours becomes as second nature as England failing to go all the way in a major championship.

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Beckham is one of the best players and ball strikers in the world.

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Thanks,

Beckham Rules!

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No probs but stop Fuking up.

PS Leeds is a beautiful city I'm sure Victoria would love it and the schools are superb just in case your getting bored of Madrid

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It was Terry. I think it's true he probably wasn't exerting pressure but it did look a lot like he had his arm round the goal keeper while Campbell was just heading it in. Certainly there was no way for the keeper to get to the ball, and Terry wasn;t on the ball. Given that wasn't teh intention and it had more to do with the way the keeper came up, I think on balance it should have been allowed, but it was a close decision and the way it's being portrayed over here as if the referee just disallowed it for the hell and that there was absolutely no question it was a goal is absurd. That said the referee was awful throughout - but again, I do think this one was a closer decision than is being made out.

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but it did look a lot like he had his arm round the goal keeper

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Strange to be penalised for a show of affection.

Anyway, I'm not interested anymore in the post-mortem, all I can say is Bugger, Bugger, Fxxk, Fxxk.

I'm fed up

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"It was a perfectly good goal."

When you get a chance to see it again, more calmly, and preferably from the camera behind the net, perhaps you will see that there is obstruction. Until then, we will simply disagree.

"Things have gone too far. You can't get near a keeper now without it being a foul should the keeper screw up. They are too overprotected."

The major change has to do with fouling on the pitch, not on the keeper. Since FIFA started promoting more severe refereeing, we are seeing definitely better football and more skills. The keeper is still pretty much protected as he used to be, maybe a little more now. But the major change is that players like Zidane can show off their talents without fearing "Chopper" Harris ending their career with a tackle from behind.

"The Rooney injury was a blow but not catastrophic."

I don't see any other player I the squad that is capable of the things Rooney is. If the fat lad was still in, the Portuguese back would not have that free room in front of their area. So, yes, maybe it wasn't "catastrophic", but is was a blow.

"I don't think you understand Penalties. Apart from Beckham's and Vessels they were fine."

No, three of them went straight where the goalkeeper stood. If the keeper had not dived, he would have caught them. This is NOT how a penalty is supposed to be taken. This is the Rudi Neeskens way and it is not the percentage way.

"If [the penalties] go in they are good penalties, if the keeper doesn't have to make a save they are crap. As simple as that."

I'm afraid this is results-guided thinking instead of percentages-guided thinking. Listen : A good penalty is a penalty that manages to do at least one of these things : (a) make the keeper dive the wrong way (b) hit the side of the net or (c) hit the upper corner of the net.

The England penalties looked good because the Portuguese keeper kept falling (see 'a' above) when he shouldn't.

"Watch it so that [Rooney] does not become another bloated "wasted talent" like Gazza became. <- This is a joke right?"

No joke. I was a Gazza acolyte. How heavy must Rooney get before you realize that the weight is catastrophic? This is not the Puskas era, you know. Weight is the downfall for footballers when so much running is required. (And skilful players cannot apply their skills when they are out of breath.)

"[In] these shootouts, a lot of luck is involved in penalties; the difference between the players abilities from 12 yards is miniscule."

I disagree. England have lost in shootouts in the last four or five major tournaments they were involved! This is called a pattern. Something is wrong - and needs fixing. My opinion is the coach should've taken this psychological burden of past shootout losses off the players' minds - and have them practice for God's sake.

PENALTY SHOOTOUTS ARE LIKE FOOTBALLERS PLAYING A ROUND OF TENNIS AFTER THE FOOTBALL GAME! It's a whole different ball game (excuse the pun) but also a crucial part of today's game. I'm continually surprised at coaches who don't pay the required attention to it.

You think Sven had his players practice penalty kicks? I would bet not - he would probably consider this as too pessimistic.

As to Beckham's penalties (that have cost England dearly once more), the less said the better.