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deception5 05-18-2005 09:35 AM

Throw this away or draw to ~4 outs?
 
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero ???.

istewart 05-18-2005 09:43 AM

Re: Throw this away or draw to ~4 outs?
 
Any reads? Yes I am probably folding it.

handsome 05-18-2005 09:56 AM

Re: Throw this away or draw to ~4 outs?
 
Easy fold buhhhhhhhhhh-DEE.

deception5 05-18-2005 10:29 AM

Re: Throw this away or draw to ~4 outs?
 
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Any reads? Yes I am probably folding it.

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First round at the table. So call the raise and check/fold the turn?

car ramrod 05-18-2005 11:04 AM

Re: Throw this away or draw to ~4 outs?
 
Any idea if villian raises his flush draws, or would make a play at you?

I would call the turn, and if he leads the river, fold ui.

MP3 is adding to the pot, which is decent size, so I think you can peel one on the turn, and fold river ui.

deception5 05-18-2005 11:10 AM

Re: Throw this away or draw to ~4 outs?
 
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Any idea if villian raises his flush draws, or would make a play at you?

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Unfortunately no - it was my first round at the table and I was just taking a stab at 2/4.

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I would call the turn, and if he leads the river, fold ui.

MP3 is adding to the pot, which is decent size, so I think you can peel one on the turn, and fold river ui.

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That's what I did. Luckily the river missed me - turned out villian had A3 for 2 pair.

car ramrod 05-18-2005 11:16 AM

Re: Throw this away or draw to ~4 outs?
 
How's 2/4 going for you, I have taken a couple stabs at it, doesn't seem to be too tough. Got to get used to the higher stakes, still not comfrontable yet.

Did you play 1/2 6 max, that game is so great.

chris_a 05-18-2005 11:27 AM

Re: Throw this away or draw to ~4 outs?
 
4 outs is probably being nice considering the turn bettor is representing a weak Ace, and considering MP3 called the bet already.

I would say closer to 3 outs. You need the pot to be about 15 bets to make this call. Clear fold.

deception5 05-18-2005 11:34 AM

Re: Throw this away or draw to ~4 outs?
 
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How's 2/4 going for you, I have taken a couple stabs at it, doesn't seem to be too tough. Got to get used to the higher stakes, still not comfrontable yet.

Did you play 1/2 6 max, that game is so great

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I took my first stab at it today for about 30 mins, down 22BB but I felt like I played decently. It was definitely more aggressive than 1/2 full ring and I'm still trying to get used to the stakes as well [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] (those big stacks of blue are intimidating!)

1/2 6-max is really fun - I've been playing that and 5-max at paradise (clearing a bonus over there) and have been doing reasonably well. Sometimes I get too aggressive but I feel like I've improved quite a bit. It's amazing how much I feel it has helped my full ring game play but occasionally I have to stop myself from raising in early position when I realize I'm in a full ring game! Played about 2k 1/2 full ring for about 6BB/100 so far and around the same number at 5/6-max at around 3BB/100.

deception5 05-18-2005 11:35 AM

Re: Throw this away or draw to ~4 outs?
 
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4 outs is probably being nice considering the turn bettor is representing a weak Ace, and considering MP3 called the bet already.

I would say closer to 3 outs. You need the pot to be about 15 bets to make this call. Clear fold.

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Yes I think you are right. Not to mention that mp3 cold called 2 on the flop.


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