22 On The Button
 

Alright HUSH, time to settle another disagreement.

If you reply, please include your winrate (BB/hand) with 22 OTB and number of instances.

Re: 22 On The Button
 

It really depends on the blinds. Usually I fold this though. I used to raise, but I didn't like the way things were playing out.

Re: 22 On The Button
 

31 Instances
Losing 0.15 BB/hand

-v

Re: 22 On The Button
 

In the 80k hand DB I have on this compuer, had 22 OTB in a steal situation that I have raised 8 times and am losing 1 BB/hand with it. Losing with 33 and 44 also. Recently I've started dumping them.

Re: 22 On The Button
 

Such a high % of this hand's value comes from when you actually steal the blinds / folding equity on the flop that this question is entirely dependent upon your opponents. With about 95% of them, however, you'd fold. The type of opponents who you would raise into with 22 are the ones who you'd be inclined to steal from with any two cards (tight in the blinds, almost automatically release if they whiff the flop).

Re: 22 On The Button
 

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Such a high % of this hand's value comes from when you actually steal the blinds that this question is entirely dependent upon your opponents.

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I think most of us realize that. I purposefully limited the choices of the poll to raise or fold. Imagine that you just sat at the table, have no info on the players, and it's up to you to do something. Calling is not an option and there no 'situationally dependent' button.

Re: 22 On The Button
 

Well, the default would obviously be to fold. 7/8 of the time 22-44 plays like ace high with no chance to improve. That's a sketchy proposition HU, and a waste of 1BB if you go three ways with a loose SB (1.5BB if you automatically continuation bet without an ace or something else to bluff at).

Re: 22 On The Button
 

rais
overall ive got 22 on button 78times ,31 bb/h
raised first in 22times ,72 bb/h

Re: 22 On The Button
 

It depends on the blinds (duh). Specifically it depends on how much fold equity I have preflop and if I flop an overcard. I need alot of it to raise here. My pfr is 9% here over the last 50k, and showing a small profit.

edit: Ok OurHouse, since we are now assuming we have no reads, its a fold, unless we want to test them (the blinds).

Re: 22 On The Button
 

I raise but stats are ugly.

24 times OTB
-.94 BB hand
RFI 9 times.

I think its time to for me start tossing this on a regular basis.