A Compromise about ID in Biology Classes
 

How bout this:

Allow the ideas of creationoists in the biology clasroom except make sure that ALL OF IT is discussed. Not just the 5% that throws some doubt onto certain small specifics of evolutionary theory. Have the biology teachers point out all of the generally accepted ideas of creationism and all of the generally accepted criticisms of evolution that they put out to the unthinking. Then have that teacher systematically show how wrong and ill conceived that 95% is. That should go a long way toward convincing the kids that the remaining 5% will soon or later will be adequately explained.

Re: A Compromise about ID in Biology Classes
 

So basically your plan is to spread atheism as fast as possible? If so, I guess its no different than the religions that try to spread themselves.

Just out of curiosity. Was creating the science, math, philsophy forum and spreading your beliefs to like 50,000 internet pawns your master-plan all along when you guys decided to make the 2+2 forums. If so, that is AWESOME.

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So your plan is to spread atheism as fast as possible? Was creating the science, math, philsophy forum and spreading your beliefs to like 50,000 internet pawns your master-plan all along when you guys decided to make the 2+2 forums?

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No, the plan was to also have a forum where the minds of young Christian poker players would be slapped, punched, flamed, twisted, and generally made to agonize enough to make them think for themselves and more clearly.

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So your plan is to spread atheism as fast as possible? Was creating the science, math, philsophy forum and spreading your beliefs to like 50,000 internet pawns your master-plan all along when you guys decided to make the 2+2 forums?

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No, the plan was to also have a forum where the minds of young Christian poker players would be slapped, punched, flamed, twisted, and generally made to agonize enough to make them think for themselves and more clearly.

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I said it was awesome, why didnt you quote taht part.

I hope this thread gets totally hijacked cuz his post left pretty much nothing to discuss imo.

Re: A Compromise about ID in Biology Classes
 

"Have the biology teachers point out all of the generally accepted ideas of creationism and all of the generally accepted criticisms of evolution that they put out to the unthinking."

I realize that I should have also included the generally accepted ideas that the creationists have had in the past but have since abandoned in the face of new discoveries overwhelming counter arguments. To include only their present day arguments, a few of which have apparantly not yet been completely refuted, would not fully show students how ID proponets are being backed futher and further into a corner.

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Then have that teacher systematically show how wrong and ill conceived that 95% is.


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This is fine as long as they also teach that if evolution by chance is true it's ok to murder people.

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This is fine as long as they also teach that if evolution by chance is true it's ok to murder people.

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How do you get from "evolution by chance is true" to "It's ok to murder people"?

edit: does this qualify as as "totally hijacked"? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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This is fine as long as they also teach that if evolution by chance is true it's ok to murder people.

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How do you get from "evolution by chance is true" to "It's ok to murder people"?

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Natural selection would include the strong killing off weaker people, right?

Or, would evolving intelligence create a society where we could choose not to kill? (without fear of hell as the deterrent)

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How do you get from "evolution by chance is true" to "It's ok to murder people"?


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If God is dead, all is permitted - Nietzsche, et al.

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edit: does this qualify as as "totally hijacked"?


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No - this is the heart of the issue.

Re: A Compromise about ID in Biology Classes
 

I have yet to see "no moral authority" used as a defense. Murder is a property violation, so it's never ok to murder people.

Great non-sequitor though. Adds a lot of value to the argument for ID.