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pzhon 04-12-2005 09:02 PM

Simple preflop situation: UTG raise, min reraise.
 
Online NL, 9-handed.

Hero (UTG) has the table covered, and has been playing tightly.
Villain 1 (UTG+1) has 22 BB, and seems pretty loose.
Villain 2 (MP2) has 32 BB. No read.
Most players have 80+ BB.

Hero has K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Preflop:
Hero raises to 4 BB. Villain 1 calls. 1 fold. Villain 2 raises to 7 BB. All fold to the hero. Hero...?

What bugs me about this reraise is that I have represented a tremendous amount of strength by raising UTG against the other deep stacks. I usually don't raise JJ or AQs UTG. So, what hands are a favorite against the range I'm raising? Only KK and AA. Perhaps the smooth-call by Villain 1 would encourage QQ or AK to get aggressive. Perhaps Villain 2 hates money and has TT. However, I really feel I'm behind on average and out of position. Can it be right to fold KK to a mininimum reraise? If I call, how should I play on the flop?

zaxx19 04-12-2005 09:11 PM

Re: Simple preflop situation: UTG raise, min reraise.
 
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I really feel I'm behind on average and out of position

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Why would you believe you were behind on avg with KK here?

mythrilfox 04-12-2005 09:15 PM

Re: Simple preflop situation: UTG raise, min reraise.
 
Most people aren't paying attention to your raising standards.

You've left off a few important things ... namely the stakes.

I think you should re-raise here to push out Villain 1. With 32BB you cannot seriously get away from KK anyway. Go ahead and pop it back here. If he pushes, so be it.

pzhon 04-12-2005 09:59 PM

Re: Simple preflop situation: UTG raise, min reraise.
 
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Why would you believe you were behind on avg with KK here?

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[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] What is the range of hands with which you would reraise an UTG raise?
KK is behind the range with which I would reraise an UTG raise, particularly if the UTG player is tight. I usually just call with QQ and AK.

[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] With what types of hands do short stacks tend to minraise rather than push?
I almost never minreraise, but I see many people do this with AA. It feels like Villain 2 wants a call.

kevin017 04-12-2005 11:19 PM

Re: Simple preflop situation: UTG raise, min reraise.
 
reraise large or push, i'd do it everyday and twice on sundays.

DrPublo 04-13-2005 03:07 AM

Re: Simple preflop situation: UTG raise, min reraise.
 
You call and play poker on the flop.

Why is this a hard question? If you push you will only get called if you are sorely beaten.

The Doc

BobboFitos 04-13-2005 03:19 AM

Re: Simple preflop situation: UTG raise, min reraise.
 
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You call and play poker on the flop.

The Doc

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"you thought we were playing tiddly winks!?"

pho75 04-13-2005 09:42 AM

Re: Simple preflop situation: UTG raise, min reraise.
 
You say that villian 1 seems pretty loose, so at best you would only "seem" pretty tight to him.

You have no read on villian 2, so he has no read on you.

They have no idea what your requirements for entering a pot UTG are. Also, the vast majority of low stakes NL players would raise here with AK, AQ, QQ, JJ, as well as AA, KK.

If I were playing this hand, I would just call. If no ace came on the flop I would play the hand like I owned it. If an ace fell well, then it gets tricky.

xorbie 04-13-2005 10:08 AM

Re: Simple preflop situation: UTG raise, min reraise.
 
You should try mixing in raising JJ and AQ UTG. If you don't like those, pick a completely random SC and just raise that every time. It's no good to get so predictable that I can min-raise you whenever I want and you start folding KK.

KowCiller 04-13-2005 10:10 AM

Re: Simple preflop situation: UTG raise, min reraise.
 
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. I usually don't raise JJ or AQs UTG. So, what hands are a favorite against the range I'm raising? Only KK and AA.

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Why are you only raising 3 hands UTG? No offense, but this seems like a leak to me.

People could argue at SSNL it doesn't matter because the donks will give you action regardless. Well, here he is, giving you action on one of the only 3 hands you raise UTG. I don't understand what you want to happen...everyone fold?

Reraise or call, either is a viable choice depending on how loose you think he is and what his PFR % is.

KoW


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