2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

Villain is 30/6/3 By the river, I figured I was ahead of exactly a bluff and that's it. Is it ok? What do you put him on?

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MP2 ($379.75)
CO ($345.50)
Button ($262)
Hero ($382)
BB ($800.55)
UTG ($460.90)
UTG+1 ($442.95)
MP1 ($153.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $4, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $4, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($20) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $8</font>, Button calls $8, Hero calls $8, BB folds, UTG calls $8.

Turn: ($52) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, UTG calls $40, UTG+1 folds, Button folds.

River: ($132) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $100</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $232

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

I think you played this hand like crap. Villain could have AA, JA, (w/ a missed club), who knows. Id either block this river or c/call depending on my opponent's tendencies, but usually I block (value?) bet.

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

AA? He played this hand immensely strangely if he had AA. Certainly not like a player with his aggression statistics would.

AJ seems at first glance a possibility, but I highly doubt he'd check the flop and then call a small bet on the flop with it, again, especially not with his aggression rating.

It seems to me that he either has a flush, which is most likely higher than mine, or a slowplayed set turned into a full house. Even aggressive players tend to slowplay sets at times, but rarely top pair.

Ryan

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

I wasnt really trying to predict his hand so much as demonstrate his range is still pretty wide on the river. I agree AA is unlikely.

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

I'd lead the turn a little larger. I was contemplating a turn check/push here, but there are two very obvious risks here that make it not the best line.
As played, I think I lead the turn for 1/2 pot and fold to a raise. Give yourself a chance to win the pot at least.

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

I prob call river. I'm usually willing to call 25bb on river bet that's less than pot, even with paired board. He could have AcTd, or KcJh type hand.

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

If Villain is any good his flop bet tells us a lot about his hand. He's not protecting against the flush draw, he is either trying to get a cheap flush card or hoping he get raised if he has a set. You are behind both hands.

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

He didn't bet the flop.

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

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He didn't bet the flop.

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Misread sorry. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

I really think that villain would have ck raised/led with a set on that flush draw flop. Therefore, I think if he is beating you, he has a higher flush most of the time.

This is very read dependent, but I think you are good here enuf to make the call on the river...

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

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This is very read dependent

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This is not all that read-dependant. Given the way this hand played out, Hero should call the river.

SpaceAce

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

Why not bet/fold the river? It seems like a good place for a block/value bet.

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

A lot of people are saying block bet.

I hate this idea at times. First of all, he may min. raise me if he has a hand. Even if you're "blocking" the river, it's pretty tough to fold with those odds.

As well, blocking bets by their nature look just weak. I really don't think I'm ahead of a whole lot here and I'm surprised more people don't agree.

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

By checking to him on the river, the villain can bet a wide variety of hands. However, if you bet half the pot and he reraises you, you can fold the hand b/c in that case you are beat. The way it played out, I think you have to call river bet.

Re: 2/4 Folding a flush when board pairs on river
 

Is the Villain really going to bet a wide variety of hands on *this* board? Only if he's crazy...

Ryan