Questionable flop raise
 

Is this pot big enough to justify this flop raise?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks,

Flop: (5 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.50 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 4.50 BB, between UTG+1 and Hero.</font>

Re: Questionable flop raise
 

fold preflop. fold the flop.

Re: Questionable flop raise
 

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Is this pot big enough to justify this flop raise?


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Nope, and you don't even have that good a shot at winning it.

People could easily have limped in front of or behind you with KQ or AJ. Or you could run up against a suited queen or jack that made a crap two pair. Or an ace could fall on the river. Your hand is ass.

NT

Re: Questionable flop raise
 

I would fold preflop.

But now that you are in...pot is too small...I fold it on the flop.

Re: Questionable flop raise
 

Is this pot big enough to justify this flop raise?

I dont think so, I would fold.

The preflop limp is probably neutral EV also, so I woudln't bother.

Re: Questionable flop raise
 

I'd be curious to know what you guys' VPIP numbers look like. Making "loose" pf calls like this my number is a lofty 15%.

Re: Questionable flop raise
 

I'm not sure all posters noticed that you are only button+2. I might play this hand against a loose limper if conditions looked right. Maybe.

My VP$IP is around 18% which is appreciably higher than you. However it didn't get there because I am loose about playing offsuit blackjack hands out of position. Your comments hint that you may be playing the wrong 15%.

The flop is an ice-cold fold. You don't have pot odds, your outs are weak, the whole field is acting behind you, and there is no obvious draw for UTG+1 to bet.

Re: Questionable flop raise
 

if the flop were 983r, then it might be worth doing. I agree with all of StellarWind's comments.