Playing the flop with a trash hand, pair + backdoor flush
 

Hypothetical ...

You're in the BB with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Two limpers, SB completes, you check.

Flop is 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Do you bet or call? If it may be multi-way? Hypothetically, consider you check and there's a bet and a call. Does anyone just bet?

What if the flop is 6-T-Q, one of your suit and you have bottom pair?

ElSapo

Re: Playing the flop with a trash hand, pair + backdoor flush
 

Suppose it depends on my image at the table. I could see lead-betting this flop if I had a tight image and had some fold equity involved. If the SB leads, probably fold. If I check, the guy behind me bets, everyone calls and I end the action, I may call.

If I'm getting run over, can't semi-bluff here - I'll get called by everyone or raised. More than three players in makes it harder, less likely for me to lead bet. If the Q was an A, I probably wouldn't lead either.

Second example, less likely to bet out. Lots of people stay in with second pair. Check and fold seems better.

ScottieK

Re: Playing the flop with a trash hand, pair + backdoor flush
 

case 1, unraised pot, middle pair, bd flush with a board that is ragged, i think you definitely lead out on the flop
case 2, i'd be more inclined to check and fold bottom pair as there are two playable overcards and a possible straight draw. In these situations, texture of the flop is very important