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lstream 09-17-2005 10:47 AM

Is this too weak tight?
 
Seat 1 is unknown to me. Seat six is somewhat loose. If seat 6 had folded to the raise, I would have carried on.

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Third Street
Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]_____calls
Seat 2: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]_____folds
Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]_____folds
Seat 4: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]_____brings-in_____folds
Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]_____folds
Seat 6: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]_____calls_____calls
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]_____calls_____folds
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]_____completes

Fourth Street
Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]_____calls
Seat 6: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]_____calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]_____bets

Fifth Street
Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]_____raises
Seat 6: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]_____calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]_____bets_____folds

Sixth Street
Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx _____calls
Seat 6: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx _____bets

River
Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx _____calls
Seat 6: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx _____bets

Roland 09-17-2005 11:07 AM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
I call. Yeah, he can have 79 or TT in the hole, but I think he can have a ton of other hands here too.
And what does seat 6 have to do with it?

(Note: I didn’t look further than 5th before posting this)

lstream 09-17-2005 11:42 AM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
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And what does seat 6 have to do with it?


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I didn't like my chances of the hand holding up in a three way.

Roland 09-17-2005 12:20 PM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
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And what does seat 6 have to do with it?


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I didn't like my chances of the hand holding up in a three way.

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You shouldn’t be thinking in terms of whether or not your hand will hold up in these spots. It is quite unlikely that you will take this pot down with just aces – you are probably already behind to two pairs or better; even if you are still ahead, you’ll usually have to improve to win.
So – if you will usually have to improve anyway, it doesn’t really matter if seat 6 sticks around or not. Although you would rather see him fold since he is cutting into your equity (is that a phrase?), a) you can do nothing about it right now b) since he’s a lose player, he might have surprisingly little equity here c) if you are in fact badly beaten by seat 2, he’s simply giving you better odds.
I would be more concerned with seat 2 – but I still don’t think you can fold this in a 9 BB pot.

Bartholow 09-17-2005 02:13 PM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
I'd call. Sometimes I think I call down too much though.

lstream 09-17-2005 02:16 PM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
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Sometimes I think I call down too much though.

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Me too - this is a real out of character fold for me.

Bartholow 09-17-2005 02:19 PM

Re: Is this too weak tight?
 
Well that makes it a better fold in some ways, if you think your opponents are observant.

I don't know about your games, but it IS amazing how many times I catch someone with absolutely nothing or just 1 pair when I make some of my weird call downs... So maybe I don't call down too much.

For instance, what if he started with 89T and has a pair of tens and a gutshot?


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