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12-14-2005 08:58 PM

River aggression check-up
 
<font color="green">UTG is very laggy preflop and plays decently but still overly aggressive postflop. I've only seen him for about 30 hands, though. He's something like 50/30/3. </font>

How is this line?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

imported_leader 12-14-2005 09:07 PM

Re: River aggression check-up
 
It's good, IMO. let him bluff at it. On the river you have the best hand a ton so you raise/call.

ArturiusX 12-14-2005 09:13 PM

Re: River aggression check-up
 
Why no flop 3-bet?

callydrias 12-14-2005 09:21 PM

Re: River aggression check-up
 
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It's good, IMO. let him bluff at it. On the river you have the best hand a ton so you raise/call.

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A ton like more than 50%? If so, why not raise/cap?

I put more pressure on him earlier streets. If you're not 3-betting the flop, at least raise the turn. If he comes back at you after a turn raise, you can start thinking about a calldown. This guy will pay more than one bet to see the river with his overcard(s) and/or turned straight draw. I think you let him off cheap.

shadow29 12-14-2005 09:24 PM

Re: River aggression check-up
 
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It's good, IMO. let him bluff at it. On the river you have the best hand a ton so you raise/call.

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A ton like more than 50%? If so, why not raise/cap?

I put more pressure on him earlier streets. If you're not 3-betting the flop, at least raise the turn. If he comes back at you after a turn raise, you can start thinking about a calldown. This guy will pay more than one bet to see the river with his overcard(s) and/or turned straight draw. I think you let him off cheap.

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quoted for truth. also cap the river!!!!111

12-14-2005 09:35 PM

Re: River aggression check-up
 
if you're calling the turn, then you're calling the river. I can see why you raise, but I think we want to have a showdown. He probably has A-high.

imported_leader 12-14-2005 09:35 PM

Re: River aggression check-up
 
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It's good, IMO. let him bluff at it. On the river you have the best hand a ton so you raise/call.

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A ton like more than 50%? If so, why not raise/cap?

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Because our read's not that great.

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I think you let him off cheap.

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I think you're letting him off cheap be raising the flop or turn so he can fold. It looks like the type that will just run with his bluff. Let him. He could easily be drawing to 0-3 outs on the turn.

callydrias 12-14-2005 09:38 PM

Re: River aggression check-up
 
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I think you're letting him off cheap be raising the flop or turn so he can fold. It looks like the type that will just run with his bluff. Let him. He could easily be drawing to 0-3 outs on the turn.

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Wait, tell me again why aren't you capping the river?

12-14-2005 09:45 PM

Re: River aggression check-up
 
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Wait, tell me again why aren't you capping the river?

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His 3-bet makes it vastly more likely he has a T. I don't think he's a moran. Well, what does my hand look like to him? I called down then raised the river? A small PP or a J, which I was hoping to extract value from, would just call the river thinking I slowplayed the nuts. He's not afraid of anything, which means he is either dumber than I thought or has a T very often.

imported_leader 12-14-2005 09:46 PM

Re: River aggression check-up
 
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I think you're letting him off cheap be raising the flop or turn so he can fold. It looks like the type that will just run with his bluff. Let him. He could easily be drawing to 0-3 outs on the turn.

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Wait, tell me again why aren't you capping the river?

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It's close. If the read was over 150 hands instead of 30, then I would. He has a T a lot more after a bet/3-bet then he has after a flop CR on a paired board and two continuation bets. I don't think a cap is outrageous or anything.


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