Basic preflop question
 

Party 5/10 table that's fantastic.

Guy posts in the CO, I have mined stats that tell me he's 25/8 over like 200 hands.

LAG button raises. He's 75/25 over around 100, and has been raising and 3-betting with all kinds of stuff. And taking most to showdown. I haven't got involved with her much so far in the session.

I'm in the SB with ATo. This means I'm likely ahead of a good portion of the button's range.

The BB is loose, 37ish vpip but not very aggro. He's called two cold in spots like this and has defending to steals almost constantly.

SO:

What's my action?

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I immediately thought raise, but we are out of position and raising deines nobodies ranges at all. When CO doesn't fold we are probably beaten.

I think call because of our position but i suck.

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i'd go ahead and raise, you might be up against a big field OOP but it's doubtful that you're dominated, and who knows BB/CO could very well fold they aren't that loose. CO especially, decently tight players if they aren't raising their CO post it's tough to call two back

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I 3bet to get the CO out.

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Seems like an easy 3-bet here. If the TAG liked his hand at all he would have certainly raised, so he's almost definitely dropping.

We're probably ahead of the lag, and ditto for the BB. OOP isn't great, but that's the beats.

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if the TAG doesn't like his hand, most of time he will fold for just one??

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3bet easy! Co's just junk and although your position sucks... you can probably C/c and let him bluff like hell anyways.

If you've not won any pots he may not be scared of you, whats your table image in your opinion?

Id 3bet and get it HU.

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if the TAG doesn't like his hand, most of time he will fold for just one??

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Closing the action here for one more SB 4-way I'm gonna be pretty liberal. Most suited cards, any middle cards, etc. Alot of hands I'm not raising there I'll call one more with.

That said, I never post, so I could be misinformed.

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Raise or fold. I dont' think you want to be in a 4-way pot w AT. Reads justify a raise to get it HU w the button. I'd say it's one of those moves you make when you know you're playing well- -otherwise pass.

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Raise or fold. I dont' think you want to be in a 4-way pot w AT. Reads justify a raise to get it HU w the button. I'd say it's one of those moves you make when you know you're playing well- -otherwise pass.

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I'd much rather call here than fold. Raising > calling > folding, IMO.

I actually typed up a post making an argument for calling, but it became clear to me that raising was better.

We can checkraise the crap outa a ton of flops and really control this board by just limping preflop. We're probably best preflop, so I can't think of any reason to fold here. The only question is which maximizes our EV, Raising or Calling. In this case it seems pretty clearly raising.