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krishanleong 12-01-2005 02:37 AM

Screwplay
 
Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Villian is 46/21/1.6/40 over 2466 hands. Is this a calldown or a call, fold river unimproved? Thanks,


Krishan

NLSoldier 12-01-2005 02:53 AM

Re: Screwplay
 
screwplays from 10/20 playres are always calldowns imo.

Surfbullet 12-01-2005 02:53 AM

Re: Screwplay
 
calldown. Sometimes it's 33/77, sometimes it's KT, sometimes it's complete crap. You can't be confident enough to fold decent TP.

I'll sometimes check through the turn and either call or raise the river depending on the card...for metagame and b/c it generates excess action from hands that may have been giving up the turn. This is a "mix it up" type play, though.

Surf

NLSoldier 12-01-2005 02:54 AM

Re: Screwplay
 
lmao as i typed that i got screwplayed by one. i 3bet and he folded [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

12-01-2005 02:59 AM

Re: Screwplay
 
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Is this a calldown or a call, fold river unimproved?

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Calling and then folding UI would make absolutely no sense.

krishanleong 12-01-2005 03:02 AM

Re: Screwplay
 
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Is this a calldown or a call, fold river unimproved?

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Calling and then folding UI would make absolutely no sense.

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Waht if I put him on a flopped or turned 2 pair?

Krishan

12-01-2005 03:25 AM

Re: Screwplay
 
You dont have odds to hit a better 2pair or a set.

sthief09 12-01-2005 03:29 AM

Re: Screwplay
 
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You dont have odds to hit a better 2pair or a set.

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even if he occasionally gives up on a bluff or gets weak with a worse A, it makes drawing profitable. that said, this is an easy calldown

mmcd 12-01-2005 04:21 AM

Re: Screwplay
 
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You dont have odds to hit a better 2pair or a set.

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On an AK73 board, A9 has 8 outs against K3 and K7, 6 outs to win and 3 outs to split against A3, and 6 outs to win against A7.

imported_azalin 12-01-2005 12:28 PM

Re: Screwplay
 
[ QUOTE ]
Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Villian is 46/21/1.6/40 over 2466 hands. Is this a calldown or a call, fold river unimproved? Thanks,


Krishan

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In those situations i usually see his c/r turn stat and decide accordingly. To tell the truth i think that very seldom its complete crap on AK73 board against a preflop raiser. If his turn c/r stat is usual then i fold the river UI more often than not. For what its worth i raise the flop (even without an A) cause of metagame purposes - meaning that when i am the preflop raiser i dont want u to donk to me often.


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