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pmuir10 12-27-2005 11:12 PM

QQ vs minraise on a dry board (200 6 max)
 
villain is 40/7/2 so far..

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB ($193.50)
UTG ($238.07)
MP ($229.74)
Hero ($204.55)
Button ($408.75)
SB ($126.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $8, BB calls $7, UTG calls $7.

Flop: ($36) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 checks, Hero bets 25, BB raises to 50, Hero pushes???

iceman5 12-27-2005 11:23 PM

Re: QQ vs minraise on a dry board (200 6 max)
 
Pushing is the worst possible move. Call, fold, or even reraise, but pushing is not smart.

If you want to get all in, just call and raise the turn all in.

12-28-2005 12:40 AM

Re: QQ vs minraise on a dry board (200 6 max)
 
Very standard. You'll likely get called by any overpair. You don't want to wait for the turn because an A or K will either out-draw you or kill your action, and if your opponent does havce an overpair, he may find a fold when a higher card hits.

Gugel 12-28-2005 01:19 AM

Re: QQ vs minraise on a dry board (200 6 max)
 
Hmm...my spidey senses are tingling...
Not only did he check-raise, but he MIN-CHECK RAISED.
I'd call the flop, check the turn. If he bets the turn, I muck. If he checks the turn and bricks were dealt on the turn and river, I'd call a reasonable river bet.

Slappz 12-28-2005 02:47 AM

Re: QQ vs minraise on a dry board (200 6 max)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hmm...my spidey senses are tingling...
Not only did he check-raise, but he MIN-CHECK RAISED.
I'd call the flop, check the turn. If he bets the turn, I muck. If he checks the turn and bricks were dealt on the turn and river, I'd call a reasonable river bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

weak, if he has any pocket pair from 22-JJ i could see him check miniraising to see where he is. A push folds out a lot of hands you beat, i would check-raise all in on turn. If he has a set then reload and take some notes.

billyjex 12-28-2005 07:07 AM

Re: QQ vs minraise on a dry board (200 6 max)
 
I think folding here is weak. Villian's stats seem to indicate a semi-LAG (for full ring.) He's not nitty so the flop minraise doesn't scream monster most of the time. It's tough because I think there's merit to a flop push if we knew the villian sucked and couldn't fold any pair six or higher here; the turn could kill your action against a small overpair. Call and c/r turn seems like a good line without any more information this his stats, however.

pmuir10 12-28-2005 09:23 AM

Re: QQ vs minraise on a dry board (200 6 max)
 
guys, i have position on him..

thanks for the replies though.. oh and he had A3o and stacked me.. i still think i was ahead of his range though, figuring that i get paid pretty often by lower pocket pairs in that situation..

BobboFitos 12-28-2005 11:47 AM

Re: QQ vs minraise on a dry board (200 6 max)
 
I like calling

scdavis0 12-28-2005 12:38 PM

Re: QQ vs minraise on a dry board (200 6 max)
 
I like a push with AK and a call with QQ

Leptyne 12-28-2005 01:19 PM

Re: QQ vs minraise on a dry board (200 6 max)
 
Every time I see this move I'm thinking that hero doesn't want a call. So what are you thinking here? Do you want villain to call with his 76s, A6s, 45s, etc? You know he's not folding a better hand. So what's the purpose of this push?

Villains PFA of 2.0 tells me he's only slightly aggressive and a VP$IP of 40 says he likes to have "pretty good" cards.

Anyway, I'm inclined to call here and give the action back to villain. The pot now contains $136 so a PSB basically put you all-in. There is little chance of a turn card improving either of you, so you should get some information from his turn lead. You can consider pushing the turn, or perhaps you'll want to put villain on a wider range of hands. In other words you could still get away.


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