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so how are the big hitters doing since they cant get their steroids. i heard awhile back its down for them, but is this true. if it isnt then maybe we shouldnt care if they use them or not. if it is then maybe records need adjusting.

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A lot of guys I think who did steroids are now injured. Also, a LOT are RPs who you wouldn't think, so I'm not sure about them.

I haven't noticed a real declination among players who I didn't expect to in skills, besides Giambi. Perhaps you could look at a guy like Chavez, but has he gotten any smaller? It seems to me that the jobs they've done to crack down shows that either they did a lackluster job and people are still doing it, or there weren't as many as we believed.

Edit- I'm looking through again and found Travis Hafner,

I'll look for some more examples. Casey Blake Victor Martinez

Blake, Martinez and Hafner all Indians and all experienced a large fall in all stats, coincidence?

Rafael Palmeiro, part of the steriods controversy this winter

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ESPN had a tracking stat on HR/game in MLB comparing 2003 to 2004. I can't find it now.

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Tom Verducci had a big article in SI on the increase in "small ball and pitching" and the decrease in home runs this year. Good read.

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I think its to early to start jumping to conclusions about averages and whatnot. Clearly the sample size is to small. Even one full season is probably to small.

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it is entirely possible that all three are just sucking right now as well. Perhaps the hitting coach isn't working with them well or something.

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I think Brett Boones appearance and performance this season is confirming what Canseco said in his book.

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so how are the big hitters doing since they cant get their steroids. i heard awhile back its down for them, but is this true. if it isnt then maybe we shouldnt care if they use them or not. if it is then maybe records need adjusting.

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You are sorely mistaken if you think that any of the "big hitters" who were doing steroids are still not on steroids.

THG is undetectable to piss tests.

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Palmeiro's decline this year probably has more to do with his age than any steroids connection. I actually think that he didn't juice, but im probably in the minority there.

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It's tough to think he wouldn't use performance enhancing drugs when he's a spokesman for Viagra.