Another Curtains Hand - AQ Late Game
 

I didnt post what he did this time so first anyone's opinion then ill put in mine. Curtains is in the SB

Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Saturday, December 17, 04:16:10 EDT 2005
Table Table 66906 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: gcnmoo ( $1890 )
Seat 4: UTINKITUPID ( $1325 )
Seat 5: MxLLx ( $1065 )
Seat 6: ownu44 ( $2725 )
Seat 8: ILuvCurtains ( $1015 )
Seat 9: AK_MALAK ( $1980 )
Trny:18350786 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ILuvCurtains [ Ad Qc ]
gcnmoo folds.
>You have options at Table 68943 Table!.
UTINKITUPID raises [400].
MxLLx folds.
ownu44 folds.
Curtains?

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I fold.

If we're close to moving to 75/150..it's closer.

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Reads, baby. All about reads.

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Reads, baby. All about reads.

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huge cop-out...assume you have no reads. If you tell me you always have some read, then you are a much more observant player than me.

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Ill tell you my read. My first read is that the player is relatively smart yet made a handle that makes him look stupid. I hadnt played with him before but based on the handle alone I'd say they were competant.

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Reads, baby. All about reads.

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huge cop-out...assume you have no reads. If you tell me you always have some read, then you are a much more observant player than me.

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Here's how I do it. If this player is solid or passive preflop, easy fold. If the player has stats like 50% vpip/30%pfr I push.

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I didnt post what he did this time so first anyone's opinion then ill put in mine. Curtains is in the SB

Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Saturday, December 17, 04:16:10 EDT 2005
Table Table 66906 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: gcnmoo ( $1890 )
Seat 4: UTINKITUPID ( $1325 )
Seat 5: MxLLx ( $1065 )
Seat 6: ownu44 ( $2725 )
Seat 8: ILuvCurtains ( $1015 )
Seat 9: AK_MALAK ( $1980 )
Trny:18350786 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ILuvCurtains [ Ad Qc ]
gcnmoo folds.
>You have options at Table 68943 Table!.
UTINKITUPID raises [400].
MxLLx folds.
ownu44 folds.
Curtains?

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Zero FE = Fold Aqo in SB

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Lately I have been pushing or maybe stop n going this but I dont think I like it because you are against a pair or AK far too often.

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Reads, baby. All about reads.

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huge cop-out...assume you have no reads. If you tell me you always have some read, then you are a much more observant player than me.

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Yeah reads are for the weak!

PS fold lol.

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Reads, baby. All about reads.

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huge cop-out...assume you have no reads. If you tell me you always have some read, then you are a much more observant player than me.

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For a very reasonable rate, I can teach you how to read like me.

If you say he's a competent 215 player, I'd probably fold. His raise is so donkishily big compared to his stack that you have little FE against him. If this were a 55, I'd shove. Probably a 109 too.

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I dont know if hes competant, Im going only by his handle.

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I dont know if hes competant, Im going only by his handle.

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Yikes.

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ok this makes me at least feel better about doing this at the 30s but it appears that the fold is good at the 200s like curtains did do.

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My first read is that the player is relatively smart yet made a handle that makes him look stupid.

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my reads are usually backwards

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This is either a fold or push situation.
folding this i think is weak but pushing i think wont make the raiser fold coz he has commited 1/3 of his stack.
Im thinking a stop and go could be a very good play coz we are in the blinds.

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Yeah i'm curious too, what can you possibly figure from that handle?

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you can figure hes witty enough to try to make a handle that makes him look stupid. Anyone who can do that is probably not completely terrible at poker, especially because they are going out of their way to look dumb.

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you can figure hes witty enough to try to make a handle that makes him look stupid. Anyone who can do that is probably not completely terrible at poker, especially because they are going out of their way to look dumb.

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I try to come up with dumb sounding nicknames all the time, so this has at least some merit.

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"I think this is fold or push"
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"I'd call"

Nice!

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I haven't looked at the other responses but I would probably fold here.

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huge cop-out...assume you have no reads. If you tell me you always have some read, then you are a much more observant player than me.

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I always have PokerAce up.

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Do you play AK the same way? Or is that hand more pushable under identical circumstances?

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Reads, baby. All about reads.

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huge cop-out...assume you have no reads. If you tell me you always have some read, then you are a much more observant player than me.

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If only sigs were enabled, I would have just found mine!

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Do you play AK the same way? Or is that hand more pushable under identical circumstances?

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I would have pushed AK here for sure if thats what you are asking. Also I would have pushed AQ to a smaller raise. A 400 chip raise often tells me they have a pretty good hand and that they wont fold, but that they dont mind taking the blinds down. Hands like 99+TT+AK+AQ are the main ones that fall into such a category.

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I would have pushed AK here for sure if thats what you are asking. Also I would have pushed AQ to a smaller raise. A 400 chip raise often tells me they have a pretty good hand and that they wont fold, but that they dont mind taking the blinds down. Hands like 99+TT+AK+AQ are the main ones that fall into such a category.

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Yes, that is what I'm asking. You're saying, it seems, that in this situation, against a 400 raise, you'd push w/AK but not w/AQ. If you think you're opponent won't fold if you push, I don't know that I see much difference in pushing w/AK or AQ. Won't you be in the same coinflip sitaution most times? I suppose your more prone to run into KK and AK if you have AQ. You're saying that that possibility is enough difference to make one hand a push and the other a fold? If that is the reasoning, then I need to adjust my game. That is the reason I'm asking.

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I would have pushed AK here for sure if thats what you are asking. Also I would have pushed AQ to a smaller raise. A 400 chip raise often tells me they have a pretty good hand and that they wont fold, but that they dont mind taking the blinds down. Hands like 99+TT+AK+AQ are the main ones that fall into such a category.

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Yes, that is what I'm asking. You're saying, it seems, that in this situation, against a 400 raise, you'd push w/AK but not w/AQ. If you think you're opponent won't fold if you push, I don't know that I see much difference in pushing w/AK or AQ. Won't you be in the same coinflip sitaution most times? I suppose your more prone to run into KK and AK if you have AQ. You're saying that that possibility is enough difference to make one hand a push and the other a fold? If that is the reasoning, then I need to adjust my game. That is the reason I'm asking.

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There's a huge difference between getting all in with AK and AQ when you know you'll be called.

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There's a huge difference between getting all in with AK and AQ when you know you'll be called.


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I understand that one hand is better than the other, surely, but I guess I didn't fully understand the difference in playability between the two hands.

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Huge difference between AK and AQ...and my opponent might fold, I dont know for sure that they will call.

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Huge difference between AK and AQ...and my opponent might fold, I dont know for sure that they will call.

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Do you think that holds true at the lower levels? Am I correct to think that at the lower levels, 11, 22, 33, people will make that opening raise with weaker holding?

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yes you are correct, and they will at the 215s also sometimes. Just didnt feel like that was the case with this guy.