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r3vbr 06-15-2005 08:40 PM

Can this hand be considered a bad beat?
 
Ok this guy is a regular at my table and I know he'd reraise it with an ace on the flop cause he doesnt slowplay much. My read was that he had some pocketpair or a flush draw. Either way, I think by the way this hand was played by me, there was NO WAY he could have called my river bet unless he was on serious tilt. The guy fell in love with his cards and could not let go, I would have played exactly the same with A9 AT AJ AQ AK etc etc...
Your thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (4 handed) converter

UTG ($564.30)
Hero ($394)
SB ($330.20)
BB ($380.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $8.

Flop: ($26) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, BB calls $16.

Turn: ($58) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, BB calls $40.

River: ($138) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, BB calls $60.

Final Pot: $258

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Kh Kc (one pair, kings).
Hero has 2s 2c (one pair, twos).
Outcome: BB wins $258. </font>

etizzle 06-15-2005 08:44 PM

Re: Can this hand be considered a bad beat?
 
go 135 on the river and its your pot.

He cant have a big hand the way he played it.

DoomSlice 06-15-2005 08:49 PM

Re: Can this hand be considered a bad beat?
 
Looks like you're just spewing on the river.

NLfool 06-15-2005 08:49 PM

Re: Can this hand be considered a bad beat?
 
it's great that you've got the heart for a 3 barrel bluff but I think the turn is so draw heavy that when in position I'd rather bet more on the turn and check on the river.

Or since it's goes call call on a board with 2 flush draws, and many straight draws (especially when you describe him as a player not to slow play) It's clear as day he doesn't have a hand that can call too much on the river you really should have put in a hefty bet on the river

r3vbr 06-15-2005 08:50 PM

Re: Can this hand be considered a bad beat?
 
I didnt want it to look like a bluff!
I wanted it to look like I simply had an ACE
If i bet 120 It would look I had a set or something like that.

According to my read, all I needed to do was to make non-ace hands fold, do you understand my reasoning?

iceman5 06-15-2005 08:50 PM

Re: Can this hand be considered a bad beat?
 
How can that be a bad beat? He had the best hand the whole time.

Where I come from thats called a calling station. Surely youve seen him call people down like this before? And probaby lose most of them?

r3vbr 06-15-2005 08:55 PM

Re: Can this hand be considered a bad beat?
 
No I think this was a one-time event. Maybe the guy had a KK-fetish or something. He married his had i mean....

hey, I didnt see him do this kind of stuff before, he seemed solid, regular, maybe breakeven player.

NLfool 06-15-2005 09:11 PM

Re: Can this hand be considered a bad beat?
 
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hey, I didnt see him do this kind of stuff before, he seemed solid, regular, maybe breakeven player.

[/ QUOTE ]

that's the perfect kind that can't call a big bet on the end. But I really tend to overbet when I hit my draws so I usually do this on bluffs too. Even if it looks like a bluff it's still a very hard to make a large call for most "regular" players

r3vbr 06-15-2005 09:14 PM

Re: Can this hand be considered a bad beat?
 
why risk 130$ when I can obtain the same result (maybe even a better result) with 60$

it's very hard to interpret a 60$ bet as a bluff. So looking back at my decision I like it very much.

I feel there was no way that call could have been made.

Komodo 06-15-2005 09:18 PM

Re: Can this hand be considered a bad beat?
 
Can anyone tell why this bluff didnt work?
Hero has represented an ace from the beginning to the end.


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