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Good laydowns?

Hand 1: Villian is 80/15/0.80 --- only time I have seen him raise is with flush draws or a set. I would have called a non-club river, but I think the best I could hope for on this is a lower set without a club. Also, should I raise the turn?

Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6.00 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (9.00 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 10.00 BB.

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Hand 2: UTG is 28.6/14.3/0.57
SB is the villian in hand 1

Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, MP folds, CO calls, Hero caps, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, CO calls, Hero folds.

River: (13.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB.

Re: Folding Aces

#1 - Raise the turn.

#2 - see #1.

edit - woops... didn't see the stats in hand no. 2.

Edit 2 - big pot, though. Hold your nose and call down. Oh and raise the turn.

edit 3 - missed the flop c/r.... good fold.

Re: Folding Aces

#1 raise the turn, river the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] next time

#2 nice fold. if he doesn't have a set i'll be damned.

Re: Folding Aces

Damn, I'm missing stuff today... didn't see the flop c/r by UTG. Yeah, he's got trips or better. Good fold. I'm going back to sleep now.

Re: Folding Aces

People reeeeeeally need to consistently post how many hands the PT stats are based on.

Hand 1 - You'll lose a lot of money at 6-max playing this weakly. You MUST raise the turn. Villain is simply betting out every street, which could mean a flush, a straight flush, a very sorry way of playing pocket kings, or nothing more than the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I'd also call the river, but I expect to lose when I do.

Hand 2 - After the turn bet (flop c/r could mean a number of things, some of which I'm ahead of), I'm not liking my hand here, but it's still a tough, tough laydown, especially after the king pairs, which could actually be good for me, and in a big pot. Whether I fold depends on what villain usually raises preflop, and also what he usually limps.

Re: Folding Aces

There is a player behind you in hand 1 that flat called on the turn. I would certainly say you are beat 95+% here.

Hand 2 is a goot fold also.

Re: Folding Aces

I had over 80 hands on both opponents.

Typically, I don't play as weak as I did in hand 1 (my aggression factors are 3.85/3.69/2.18 over my last 40k 6 max hands). I hadn't seen him raise once without a set or flush draw. He might have played 2 pair the same way.
Thanks for the help.

Re: Folding Aces

Both good folds, but like everyone said, you absolutely need to pop the turn in hand #1. He could be donking KxQc or something like that SO often. And if you're beat, you got the sweet-ass-sweet redraw.