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lapoker17 10-11-2005 04:28 PM

Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
Last Night. Commerce. 10/20 no max.

Table is playing pretty tight. EP has shown down a few bluffs and is probably the most aggressive player at the table. MP is a solid regular. I am me.

I've been playing ABC for the last 2 hours as that's what I tend to do when I get J4o every hand.

So, Ep ($2500) limps, MP ($5000) limps, I ($3300) limp w Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in CO, button limps blinds complete - 6 to the flop.

Flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Checked to me, I bet $140.

EP calls, MP calls.

Turn 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checked around.

River 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

EP bets $500

MP thinks and folds.

I call.

Ep shows me A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I got worked. Thought his line was pretty nuts though.

TheWorstPlayer 10-11-2005 04:35 PM

Re: Commerce 10/10 QT Hand
 
How did you get worked? You lost $650 on a hand where you could easily have lost your whole stack. And had you been able to find a fold on the river you would have worked him over absolutely. Even this way it looks like a win for you.

lapoker17 10-11-2005 04:42 PM

Re: Commerce 10/10 QT Hand
 
No - I was relatively happy with the result - I just meant that I usually have a range of hands for people that is close - I was lost on this one. Mainly just thought it was interesting.

Big_Jim 10-11-2005 04:44 PM

Re: Commerce 10/10 QT Hand
 
Wow. No way to put him on that hand.

Looks like another spot where fast playing a big hand on a draw heavy board would have been the best play.

scdavis0 10-11-2005 04:44 PM

Re: Commerce 10/10 QT Hand
 
I think you'll occasionally see a hand like 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] x [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] here -- player dependent of course.

Big_Jim 10-11-2005 04:45 PM

Re: Commerce 10/10 QT Hand
 
Considering his read, I think the river call is fine.

Rococo 10-11-2005 04:49 PM

Re: Commerce 10/10 QT Hand
 
I agree that Villain's line disguised his holding very well. The downside to his line, of course, is that he didn't stack you when he should have. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

lapoker17 10-11-2005 05:01 PM

Re: Commerce 10/10 QT Hand
 
He probably missed some value - Although I don't know that I'm getting it all in on the flop.


Percula 10-11-2005 05:02 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
Looks like he was going for the limp reraise and got sucked into a pot...

Assuming that is the case... how would you have played it if you were in his place... Blown limp RR and hitting top set on a two flush board with one or more players drawing to big hands?

lapoker17 10-11-2005 05:10 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
I lead the flop.

At an aggressive table, I may c/r huge to make it look like a draw, but this table was so passive that I think checking it was a pretty big error.

He was lucky I had enough of a hand to bet into 6 players there - he probaly should have made it $450 - 500 when it got back to him. Not sure what I would've done there.

AZK 10-11-2005 05:29 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
running good again?

lapoker17 10-11-2005 05:57 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
I've played live for like 10 hrs in big games 3 of the last 4 days and net net I'm up like 600 bucks. I think welders make more than 20 an hour. And they get to wear that cool helmet thing.

So, no, not running good again.

TheWorstPlayer 10-11-2005 06:04 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
You could wear that cool helmet thing at the table.

kurosh 10-11-2005 06:44 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
If he check-raised the pot on the flop, what do you do?

lapoker17 10-11-2005 06:58 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
Not sure - I'd look at him and decide. Neither of us is really that deep, so it's probably push or fold, but who knows, I might just call. But I definitely would've thought a bit more about his ep limp than i did the way it played out.

Percula 10-11-2005 09:21 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
[ QUOTE ]
So, no, not running good again.

[/ QUOTE ]

Down swings can only last so long. Its just a matter of time. Chin up, chip up. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

BTW, thank you for posting here, yours are some of the best posts in the forum.

Garland 10-11-2005 09:37 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
I'd like to know what your plan is if:

(a) a T rivers and he leads
(b) a Q rivers and he leads.

Garland

durrrr 10-11-2005 11:23 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
Weird spot for villain to bluff in, so I'd want to fold- but also very hard for him to have a hand he would pot the river with. Hands that beat you (that he'd bet) AA,QQ,77,44,AQ,A7,A4,4-x (AK maybe?)

I'd think AA,qq,AK almost always raise preflop.
AQ,77 often raise preflop, 44 sometimes, A7,A4soot sometimes.
He shouldnt be in there w/ 4x, A7,A4 too often, and i think he will often be afraid to value bet AK this much on the river.

This is very close imo, but i think i like a call

fsuplayer 10-12-2005 01:22 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
i was breakeven for only like 30k hands online last month, so im sure at B&M's hourly hand rate you'll be out of it soon. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

-why i couldnt play live for a living.


mike

fsuplayer 10-12-2005 01:22 PM

Re: Commerce 10/20 QT Hand
 
in all seriousness, i hope things turn around for you soon.


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