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Nicholasp27 09-22-2005 06:29 PM

Does 3BB raise make sense on level 1?
 
if you have ak level 1 and only raise to 45, then all of the pocket pairs should call you (<10% of their stack)...

does it make sense to instead raise to >10% of average stack (90 if 800 stacks) to not give the low-mid pps odds to limp in?

bones 09-22-2005 06:44 PM

Re: Does 3BB raise make sense on level 1?
 
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if you have ak level 1 and only raise to 45, then all of the pocket pairs should call you (<10% of their stack)...

does it make sense to instead raise to >10% of average stack (90 if 800 stacks) to not give the low-mid pps odds to limp in?

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There are lots of reasons why I think this is incorrect.

-You're building a huge pot on level 1 that you'll miss most of the time, but will still have to fire at.

-In your scenario, you still have several players to act behind you, meaning that you're still subject to a raise pre-flop and will be OOP for the rest of the hand with AK.

-You're limiting your opponents opportunities to come in with dominated aces, which is where AK makes it's money, NOT by giving incorrect odds to lower pairs (which are already ahead of you).

-The blinds at this level just aren't significant enough to make this a winning play (which I'm going to address in the other thread).

Nicholasp27 09-22-2005 06:50 PM

Re: Does 3BB raise make sense on level 1?
 
good response

was just throwing that out there

Skip Brutale 09-22-2005 09:33 PM

Re: Does 3BB raise make sense on level 1?
 
I just raise to 60 on level 1 and 100 on level 2. Then I raise to 3x unless there is something that would drive me to mini-raise due to bubble.

DyessMan89 09-22-2005 09:42 PM

Re: Does 3BB raise make sense on level 1?
 
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I just raise to 60 on level 1 and 100 on level 2. Then I raise to 3x unless there is something that would drive me to mini-raise due to bubble.

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Your raises should be primarily based on the # of players in the pot already. I dont think having a standard raise amount for a given blind structure would be a logical move.

lorinda 09-22-2005 09:46 PM

Re: Does 3BB raise make sense on level 1?
 
With AA I tend to do this for the reasons you describe (as well as the fact they'll pay me anyway) as I rarely fold AA.

With AK however, you shouldn't stack yourself unless you at least hit an A or K, which means that they are less likely to flop a set on the occasions that you try to lose all of your chips.

Lori

Skip Brutale 09-22-2005 11:10 PM

Re: Does 3BB raise make sense on level 1?
 
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I just raise to 60 on level 1 and 100 on level 2. Then I raise to 3x unless there is something that would drive me to mini-raise due to bubble.

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Your raises should be primarily based on the # of players in the pot already. I dont think having a standard raise amount for a given blind structure would be a logical move.

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I am discussing your raise when opening the pot (which I think is what the original poster is talking about). Yes I do scale it up depending upon how many callers there are.

And yes having a standard opening raise dependent upon blind level is logical.


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