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banditdad 07-24-2004 10:20 PM

The most frustraing hand tonight.
 
I flop a big straight and I think I played it right. He picked up the boat on the river. How could I or should I have played this differently?

Absolute Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

bisonbison 07-24-2004 10:23 PM

Re: The most frustraing hand tonight.
 
On the flop, you have the nuts and it is capped. Great.
On the turn, you have the nuts and you call a 3-bet. Bad.

Bet the turn.
Depending on how scared I was playing that day, I would bet and call or check and call the river.

afk 07-24-2004 10:24 PM

Re: The most frustraing hand tonight.
 
Cap the turn, you have the nuts. And bet the river, if he raises I'd call down but woudn't 3bet. This board and action screams full house.

banditdad 07-24-2004 11:12 PM

Re: The most frustraing hand tonight.
 
[ QUOTE ]
On the flop, you have the nuts and it is capped. Great.
On the turn, you have the nuts and you call a 3-bet. Bad.

Bet the turn.
Depending on how scared I was playing that day, I would bet and call or check and call the river.

[/ QUOTE ]

So the only real mistake I made was not reraising on the turn? You're right, I got coldfeet. I don't know why, I figured him for at best trip K. Maybe one more bet would have made him release his hand.

jrobb83 07-24-2004 11:17 PM

Re: The most frustraing hand tonight.
 
Even if you figured him for trip kings, you still have to cap the turn. You have the stone cold nuts man! You want anything but for him to release his hand unless he has a set (but he ain't laying that down any time soon). You cap to make more of his money your money.

bisonbison 07-24-2004 11:17 PM

Re: The most frustraing hand tonight.
 
You're right, I got coldfeet. I don't know why, I figured him for at best trip K.

You're miles ahead of a set here. Did you know you had the nuts? Did you think about what having the nuts means in terms of pot equity?

banditdad 07-24-2004 11:24 PM

Re: The most frustraing hand tonight.
 
[ QUOTE ]
You're right, I got coldfeet. I don't know why, I figured him for at best trip K.

You're miles ahead of a set here. Did you know you had the nuts? Did you think about what having the nuts means in terms of pot equity?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah I knew I had the nuts as soon as it flopped. I don't really know why I slowed down on the turn. Inexperience?

tardigrade 07-24-2004 11:25 PM

Re: The most frustraing hand tonight.
 
Looks perfect except for the disturbing lack of a turn cap when you have the nuts (I guess it's not the *absolute* nuts because AJ spades is a little better, but so what).

When the board pairs up, I think the immediate check-call on the river is better than betting out and calling a raise. He has a boat or you split the pot. What else could he be betting like that on? I guess I've been surprised before.

Nemesis 07-24-2004 11:27 PM

Re: The most frustraing hand tonight.
 
at the time... it is the ABSOLUTE nuts... at worst he splits.

dfscott 07-25-2004 12:50 AM

Re: The most frustraing hand tonight.
 
[ QUOTE ]
at the time... it is the ABSOLUTE nuts... at worst he splits.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, but AJ of spades is freerolling on him.

Still, it's a technical point only -- no reason for not capping the turn.


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