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lighterjobs 12-25-2005 08:23 PM

was this a bad play?
 
i'm just moving to six max tables from full ring games and am playing more heads up to four handed tables. i am not very experienced at short handed play and i am pretty much experimenting. i just sat down and i don't have stats on either players yet but the sb just went four bets on the flop with middle pair and no draw the previous hand.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

imported_leader 12-25-2005 08:56 PM

Re: was this a bad play?
 
The flop call is pretty thin since you're not closing the action. Not terrible though. The rest is good.

lighterjobs 12-25-2005 09:23 PM

Re: was this a bad play?
 
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The flop call is pretty thin since you're not closing the action. Not terrible though. The rest is good.

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yeah that's what i was thinking. but i figured if i'm going to defend my blind and flop a pair with two backdoor draws i might as well take a chance.

imported_leader 12-25-2005 09:29 PM

Re: was this a bad play?
 
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The flop call is pretty thin since you're not closing the action. Not terrible though. The rest is good.

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yeah that's what i was thinking. but i figured if i'm going to defend my blind and flop a pair with two backdoor draws i might as well take a chance.

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It's close if you had a read that BT was passive it would be fine.

smacksoup 12-25-2005 09:33 PM

Re: was this a bad play?
 
dont raise the turn. take it to river and fold UI. then you can get a value raise on the river if you trip, two pair, or flush up. you're not pushing him off an ace or MAYBE even a ten here.

LoaferGee12 12-25-2005 09:43 PM

Re: was this a bad play?
 
Not sure about the turn raise here. You almost always need to improve here to win.

Roy6 12-25-2005 09:44 PM

Re: was this a bad play?
 
I don't know if I like the PF call.
Flop is close, but I would fold. I just call the turn.
He's not releasing ace, ten, KJ, KQ, flush draws, maybe also not pairs on a double flush draw board.

12-25-2005 09:59 PM

Re: was this a bad play?
 
The blind defense is standard i think. i probably just fold the flop tho. I dunno. we don't know the action button will take behind us. If we call, he raises, it sucks. If we raise, he 3-bets, it sucks. If we fold, he calls, so be it.

raze 12-25-2005 10:01 PM

Re: was this a bad play?
 
You are drawing here - no need to raise the turn because you will knock out the button and thus your implied odds shrink because he won't be around to pay off if you draw a flush/trips.

Definitely call the turn to keep the button in.

krishanleong 12-25-2005 10:41 PM

Re: was this a bad play?
 
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The flop call is pretty thin since you're not closing the action. Not terrible though.

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Flop call is horrible.

Krishan


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