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macdaddy991 12-28-2005 05:15 AM

x post from SS, annoying turn situation
 
I posted this in SS, but I thought it would be appropriate to post here. This is a somewhat common situation in hold em and playing it more correctly can definately add +EV to your game.

villan is new to table so for all intents and purposes he is unknown

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO folds, BB calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero?

12-28-2005 05:31 AM

Re: x post from SS, annoying turn situation
 
Call the bet and c/c the river UI. MP2 just called your turn bet, it is unlikely he will 3-bet, he either has a Q or a straight draw. As far as BB goes, hard to say what he has, he could have the T, but also possible that he has a Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], maybe 44s even.

12-28-2005 05:54 AM

Re: x post from SS, annoying turn situation
 
He probably has a T and was slowplaying on the flop. He may also have 44 or be playing a flush draw (presumably with a queen). It looks like hero is probably behind. I can see 2 outs (A), another 2 tainted outs (TT). Maybe he's bluffing or on a draw, but it doesn't seem likely.

With 8.7-to-1 odds I don't think a call is justified. I fold.

12-28-2005 08:25 AM

Re: x post from SS, annoying turn situation
 
River an Ace.

Aaron W. 12-28-2005 12:27 PM

Re: x post from SS, annoying turn situation
 
[ QUOTE ]
I posted this in SS, but I thought it would be appropriate to post here. This is a somewhat common situation in hold em and playing it more correctly can definately add +EV to your game.

villan is new to table so for all intents and purposes he is unknown

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The default should be to call down because you have an overpair to the unpaired board card. If you had something like 66, folding would be more appropriate.

In a readless situation, calling down isn't significantly +EV, but it's +INFO which you can hopefully exchange for +EV in later hands.

cold_cash 12-28-2005 12:42 PM

Re: x post from SS, annoying turn situation
 
Against all but the most passive of players I think this will be a Queen, a hand like 66, or a club draw with a pair way more often than needed to make a calldown good.

(Especially with the overlay you're already getting and MP2 being dragged along for the ride.)

tassie 12-28-2005 01:16 PM

Re: x post from SS, annoying turn situation
 
3 bet.

If that MP2 calls or BB caps it I am starting to get worried.

cold_cash 12-28-2005 01:18 PM

Re: x post from SS, annoying turn situation
 
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3 bet

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No.

tassie 12-28-2005 01:25 PM

Re: x post from SS, annoying turn situation
 
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3 bet

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No.

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why not? If ya don't mind

milesdyson 12-28-2005 01:26 PM

Re: x post from SS, annoying turn situation
 
yeah i'd much rather fold than 3-bet.

to be honest i am folding this exact hand sometimes, even against a complete unknown. it just depends on my mood.


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