turn bet issue against tag
 

villan is a tag, 24% preflop...
does this turn bet totally suck?>



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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls.

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

after he caps and raises you on the flop, i would just call down.

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

Well, if there was any chance that villain has a FD then I like a turn bet for sure. This doesn't seem to be the case. I think c/c is probably better, maybe donking the river (if you think villain would play QQ/JJ this way). Also, what's villain's PFR?

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

What would suck is you checking the turn and the villain checking it through. You have to bet this turn unless your 100% sure the villain is going to bet it for you. So what, he raised you. Now you have a good idea your behind. Decision time.

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

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What would suck is you checking the turn and the villain checking it through. You have to bet this turn unless your 100% sure the villain is going to bet it for you. So what, he raised you. Now you have a good idea your behind. Decision time.

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I think villain only ever checks behind a hand with 2 outs that he (probably) wouldn't have called a bet with anyways. I think it's more worth it to try and get him to bet at it again with JJ-QQ

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

Yep, not much you're ahead of by the turn so call it down. I also don't like the flop bet.

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

I check-call the flop. The problem with betting is that MP is probably only raising hands that beat you and if he's beating you then you are crushed. Having the Button throw a 1 SB donation into the pot can be a side benefit from check-calling.

This is one of those hands where it's unlikely you are going to get any value from TT/JJ/QQ because you can't really raise anywhere without folding him. So, it's probably just best to play it passive and check-call the entire way.

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

With 2 people already in and in worst position, how about a pf call here?

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

PFR is 20%, also, hes now 20% vpip preflop...
some of my thoughts were...
ok hes capping me, AK is clearly possible, AA out, KK possible, QQ,JJ,1010, AQs..
maybe even wider, hes ultra aggressive
only 2 hands beating me on the flop...
kinda seems wa/wb...
cdl

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

"kinda seems wa/wb..."

edit: once the turn rolls around. I do want to come out firing on the flop, but once it's heads up lets let him bet it (or not) with his 2 outer/monster

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

wa/wb seems like the best line. I don't see this guy capping with AJos.

How many hands are these stats over? If he has 20% pfr and 20% vpip I guess they are probably over a very very small sample. That makes most of this data inconclusive.

He may be quite LAG but has had a small amount of cards meaning you get paid by ATs / AJ.

I c/c most of the way for a real tag, betting the river when he checks the turn as he is probably checking underpairs if he plays the turn passively.

True

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

210 hands

Re: turn bet issue against tag
 

Preflop, I'd just call w two people already in. That let's BB in cheap, but he is not likely to be our problem.

I like the flop bet, hoping villain will raise and drive everyone else out.

From there, I call down.