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-Skeme- 12-25-2005 08:04 AM

Stars $10/$20 - 99.
 
Is this standard? Would it have been better to bet turn again and then check behind on river? Thanks.

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PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, CO folds.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB
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Nick Royale 12-25-2005 08:33 AM

Re: Stars $10/$20 - 99.
 
This is a place where I suspect I might be spewing because I almost always fire again at the turn. Readless I think it might be fine since there is a flushdraw possible. If the opponent is tricky I would considerchecking the turn and catch a bluff on the river, but when the Q falls I might fold anyway. Against a predictable player I bet the turn as the last money I put into the pot, not risking to get bluffed by a semi-bluffing fd.

partygirluk 12-25-2005 09:21 AM

Re: Stars $10/$20 - 99.
 
I'd bet the turn. Draw heavy board, HU with position. If you are behind you don't have many outs at all so getting c/red wouldnt suck. Only thing that would really concern me is getting c/r bluffed....but even that wont happen often and he will likely have outs anyway.

spamuell 12-25-2005 11:20 AM

Re: Stars $10/$20 - 99.
 
I play it the same unless the opponent is very loose in which case I'd fire again on the turn. In general though against an unknown, I'm folding the river even without the Q falling.

12-25-2005 11:32 AM

Re: Stars $10/$20 - 99.
 
IMHO-

By having position HU and not betting the Turn you pretty much guaranteed your opponent would bet into you if a spade didn’t come on the River. He has to be thinking you bet the flop to get a free card. If you had an A (or even a J) you never would have given a free card on a 2-flush board.

Bet the Turn and he probably would have given it up. If he called and then bet the River, then you may have to think as you are probably beat.

SP

dave44 12-25-2005 01:56 PM

Re: Stars $10/$20 - 99.
 
I'd bet the turn. UTG passed up an opportunity to protect his hand on the flop with a raise so he's a bit more likely to have a draw here that likely has a ton of outs against you, but will often fold incorrectly due to the range of hands you can represent with a turn bet.

spamuell 12-25-2005 02:24 PM

Re: Stars $10/$20 - 99.
 
Yeah, I've changed my mind because I forgot the flop was 3-way, not HU. Bet the turn.

-Skeme- 12-25-2005 02:25 PM

Re: Stars $10/$20 - 99.
 
How does that change your reasoning?

Nick Royale 12-25-2005 02:39 PM

Re: Stars $10/$20 - 99.
 
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How does that change your reasoning?

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Dave just explained it. Our opponent isn't likely to have a made hand since he didn't protect it on the flop. He's likely on a draw and since he might believe we've hit the A, he might fold a hand such as KQ/KT incorrectly when we bet the turn, not knowing all his pair outs are good. Even if he calls we have charged his draw.

-Skeme- 12-25-2005 05:50 PM

Re: Stars $10/$20 - 99.
 
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks guys.


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