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Aviston 07-26-2004 03:47 PM

AT as BB facing a raise
 
Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Blue folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, Hero ... ?

Do I just let this go and assume AK - AJ?

Tosh 07-26-2004 03:52 PM

Re: AT as BB facing a raise
 
Fold preflop.

Chris Daddy Cool 07-26-2004 03:54 PM

Re: AT as BB facing a raise
 
Yea, but he was asking about his postflop play.

Aviston 07-26-2004 03:54 PM

Re: AT as BB facing a raise
 
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Fold preflop.

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Ya think? AT isn't exactly the worst hand HU and I was only paying 1 SB to see the floppage.

Tosh 07-26-2004 03:56 PM

Re: AT as BB facing a raise
 
Call the flop, check raise the turn call and down if 3 bet.

Aviston 07-26-2004 03:56 PM

Re: AT as BB facing a raise
 
Oh, I should've added that UTG+2 was raising PF quite a bit with small to mid pocket pairs.

cold_cash 07-26-2004 04:01 PM

Re: AT as BB facing a raise
 
That one small bet could turn into multiple big bets the times when you're outkicked and flop an Ace.

The other times when you flop a Ten you'll often be up against an overpair, and be drawing to 3 outs.

The call would be much better if you had a few cold-callers between you, but I don't want to play this hand heads up and out of position in a raised pot.

Aviston 07-26-2004 04:02 PM

Re: AT as BB facing a raise
 
Point taken. I have been retarded as of late.

TrailofTears 07-26-2004 04:12 PM

Re: AT as BB facing a raise
 
I understand your point, but doesn't what you just said sound like the opposite of what everyone jokes that fish think? Everyone says fish change what other players have so they feel good about their call (ex. AA preflop turns to QQ when they flop a pair of K's). It seems like you are saying that no matter what flops he will be beaten. It is just as likely that the opposite situation could occur, no? (when he flops a ten to get TPTK, he was up against AKs, and when he flops a pair of aces, he was raised PF by KK) Now I know that he raised on the flop, but how many times have you seen posts on here where people have been advised to 3-bet "to see how strong his hand really is." Anyone playing a high pocket pair might just as well raise this flop. At the very least, call this down and hope to improve with one of your four outs. That is just my take on this hand, and your post that seemed a bit like it was looking for monsters.

cold_cash 07-26-2004 04:22 PM

Re: AT as BB facing a raise
 
If the raiser is a reasonable player, (which I know is a big assumption which may or may not be true), what hands will he open raise with in early position that our AT is in good shape against?

If our opponent is raising light, or is a maniac, then 3-bet.


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