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brasse 08-23-2005 03:40 PM

Is this fold ok?
 
Hello again!

Here is another hand that I'm not to sure about. I'm leaning towards that the fold was correct, perhaps I should have laid down the hand when I was reraised on the flop?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

:.:: brasse

davelin 08-23-2005 03:49 PM

Re: Is this fold ok?
 
I'd probably call down.

PokerSparky 08-23-2005 03:54 PM

Re: Is this fold ok?
 
You picked up a gutshot on the turn. I'd call the turn for sure and probably make a crying call on the river if I don't improve.

A read on MP1 would obviously help your river decision.

imported_The Vibesman 08-23-2005 03:57 PM

Re: Is this fold ok?
 
I think I call this down, but I'm not crazy about it. A read on MP1 would help, naturally. I'm not sure if calling down is correct tho, I make some loose calls sometimes.

Link774 08-23-2005 03:58 PM

Re: Is this fold ok?
 
This seems like a pretty read-dependent situation. The more agressive they are, the more I would call down. The more passive, the more I would fold. I don't see a rock 3-betting in this situation frequently without the trips.

Marquis 08-23-2005 04:20 PM

Re: Is this fold ok?
 
I think folding this is horrible. You might have the best hand, and you have outs if you don't.

@bsolute_luck 08-23-2005 04:34 PM

Re: Is this fold ok?
 
i'm calling the turn at least.

assuming the Worst that he has the T, you have 2 outs for your Jacks and 4 for your 9s: 6 outs you're getting 6.25 and need ~7.5, so with implied odds, it's close enough for me figuring worst.

next case he has A/KJ and didn't raise preflop:
2 outs for Jax to split, 3 outs for your Qs (all good since J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is out there), and 4 for your straight: 9 outs, needing ~4 to call, getting 6.25:1, easy call.

well actually i guess, worst case would be he had JT, JJ or TT, but that is the fastest nut fullhouse/4-of-a-kind i have every seen and weakest preflop[img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

the river would be read-dependent. w/o one, i usually call.


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