Sticky deck.
 

Last week while playing at IP (more on that later) this clown spilled his drink for the 2nd time in like an hour. This last time though, he drenched half the muck. The dealer called the floorman over to get him a cloth to clean the table with. When he returned, the floorman cleaned the table while the dealer tried his best to clean the cards. About 3 hands later, the deck was real sticky and the dealer was having a heck-of-a-time trying to deal. I thought this was quite bizarre and asked for a deck change. He looked up at me and said "thanks". I took from this that the dealer was not allowed to change the deck when he feels it needs to be so and needs to be told to do so by the floor or asked by a player. Please tell me that this is not so???

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The IP is cheap. But some places have a strict NO SETUPS policy unless there is something wrong with the deck. Wynn does this.

In this situation, both decks should have been taken out of play and replaced with another setup imediately.

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The IP is cheap. But some places have a strict NO SETUPS policy unless there is something wrong with the deck. Wynn does this.

In this situation, both decks should have been taken out of play and replaced with another setup imediately.

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That is what I would figure. The IP being cheap is the understatement of the year. Plus their cocktail waitresses are butt-ugly.. except for this one smoking blonde that was there for a few hours around 2am. As cheap as they are though... they do have a nicely stocked fishin hole.. but I guess that is true in most places.

One other thing about IP, the dealers we had that night were pretty crappy! We had on avg 1.5 misdeals per 2 hrs. (6 in ~8 hrs.) and I am not padding the numbers here! On top of that, about every 10 hands or so, the dealer would flip a card on the pitch. I know these things happen from time to time, but it seemed to be a bit excessive. Twice in about 6 hrs, the dealers actually pitched the cards right off the table. I thought this would be an immediate mis-deal, but he just showed it to the table and used it like a burn card as if the card was just revealed during the pitch. Is this also standard or should that have been a mis-deal? I was a bit bitter because in the middle of about 2 hrs of dead cards, I got AKs and a mis-deal was declared. About 15 minutes later, I get pocket Qs and then the dealer realizes that he actually dealt 3 cards to each of the blinds... I just laughed a bit as I flipped over my Qs and said just my luck huh... I wasn't quite as bitter when the guy 2 seats to my left flipped over AA [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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About 3 hands later, the deck was real sticky and the dealer was having a heck-of-a-time trying to deal. I thought this was quite bizarre and asked for a deck change. He looked up at me and said "thanks". I took from this that the dealer was not allowed to change the deck when he feels it needs to be so and needs to be told to do so by the floor or asked by a player. Please tell me that this is not so???

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This is the policy at some cardrooms. I've already been at at table with a dealer that I was friendly with, and she asked me to ask her for a new setup. I thought it was strange, but I asked her. After the table got the new setup, I asked her why I needed to do that. She told me that the dealers can't request a new setup.

This seems like the worst rule in the world to me. What happens if the dealer notices something wrong with the deck that no one at the table does? This is especially troublesome if there is an auto shuffler at the table and both decks are being used at once. Then the dealer can't just switch decks. Anyone care to shed some light on why dealers can't request new setups on their own?

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Anyone care to shed some light on why dealers can't request new setups on their own?

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Players are superstitious and think the dealer is trying to "get" them if they take away their lucky deck. If a dealer notices a damaged card he should take the deck out of play, but I am guessing wiht these new places they have trouble understanding the difference.

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We had on avg 1.5 misdeals per 2 hrs. (6 in ~8 hrs.) and I am not padding the numbers here! On top of that, about every 10 hands or so, the dealer would flip a card on the pitch. I know these things happen from time to time, but it seemed to be a bit excessive. Twice in about 6 hrs, the dealers actually pitched the cards right off the table.

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Variance bro, variance!

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I know.. that's why I was laughing..LOL

So a card hitting the floor during the pitch does not constitute an auto-mis-deal?

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Anyone care to shed some light on why dealers can't request new setups on their own?

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Players are superstitious and think the dealer is trying to "get" them if they take away their lucky deck. If a dealer notices a damaged card he should take the deck out of play, but I am guessing wiht these new places they have trouble understanding the difference.

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I can understand that... BUT this "lucky" deck had diet coke and vodka all over it.. LOL (Don't ask me .. I have no idea what this clown was thinking when he ordered a diet coke and vodka.. The look on the cocktail waitresses face was pretty classic though!)

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So a card hitting the floor during the pitch does not constitute an auto-mis-deal?

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Nope, just a dead card (exposed) and a deck change (not setup) after the hand, unless there's an autoshuffler. I just examine the card, run the deck down in front of players, and go on with the next hand with a shuffler.

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I know.. that's why I was laughing..LOL

So a card hitting the floor during the pitch does not constitute an auto-mis-deal?

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No, it doesn't. It's treated the same as an exposed card. From Robert's Rules:

SECTION 3 - GENERAL POKER RULES - IRREGULARITIES

12. Procedure for an exposed card varies with the poker form, and is given in the section for each game. A card that is flashed by a dealer is treated as an exposed card. A card that is flashed by a player will play. To obtain a ruling on whether a card was exposed and should be replaced, a player should announce that the card was flashed or exposed before looking at it. A downcard dealt off the table is an exposed card.