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pete fabrizio 02-16-2005 09:13 PM

Two easy bluffs?
 
2-3-5 NLH. $10 bring-in. All important stack sizes are irrelevantly deep.

Hand 1:
I have Presto in MP, 3 limpers, I make it 30, button makes it 90, BB calls, limpers fold, I call. Pot ~$300.

Flop TT8 two-suited. BB checks, I check, button bets $75, BB folds, I call.

Turn is an 8. I check, button bets $75, I make it $275.

Button is a plumber.

Hand 2:
I have 52o in cutoff+1. 3 limpers, I limp, button limps, BB completes. Pot ~$60.

Flop KT3 with 2 clubs. Checked around.

Turn is an offsuit 4. Checked to me, I bet $50, button calls, everyone else folds.

River is an offsuit 8. I bet $75, Button raises $150 more, I raise $300 more.

Button is a very serious-looking player.

Comments?

Matt Flynn 02-16-2005 09:45 PM

Re: Two easy bluffs?
 
was the plumber named steve?

Kaz The Original 02-17-2005 12:25 AM

Re: Two easy bluffs?
 
I would like to know why you called preflop in hand #2.

It's like David Skalansky says in Super System "How would you play a hand like this?"
"I don't know, I've never played a hand like that".

FoxwoodsFiend 02-17-2005 12:56 AM

Re: Two easy bluffs?
 
1st hand: Depends on your opponent here but I think most people would not give you credit for a ten or an 8 here thinking "would he raise and call a re-raise here with a 10 or 8 in his hand?" (I know you would, but that's besides the point). So I think you're going to have a tough time pushing off any good hand here (JJ-AA and maybe even 99) making the bluff questionable.
Hand 2: Nice spot-he checked the flop so you doubt he's got too good of a hand and if he had a hand on the turn he would've raised to get clubs out. That 4 almost definitely missed him and I'd say he's bluffing and will fold.

pete fabrizio 02-17-2005 02:54 AM

Re: Two easy bluffs?
 
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I would like to know why you called preflop in hand #2.

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Because I'm stupid.

creedofhubris 02-17-2005 08:28 AM

Re: Two easy bluffs?
 
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2-3-5 NLH. $10 bring-in. All important stack sizes are irrelevantly deep.

Hand 1:
I have Presto in MP, 3 limpers, I make it 30, button makes it 90, BB calls, limpers fold, I call. Pot ~$300.

Flop TT8 two-suited. BB checks, I check, button bets $75, BB folds, I call.

Turn is an 8. I check, button bets $75, I make it $275.

Button is a plumber.

Hand 2:
I have 52o in cutoff+1. 3 limpers, I limp, button limps, BB completes. Pot ~$60.

Flop KT3 with 2 clubs. Checked around.

Turn is an offsuit 4. Checked to me, I bet $50, button calls, everyone else folds.

River is an offsuit 8. I bet $75, Button raises $150 more, I raise $300 more.

Button is a very serious-looking player.

Comments?

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Hand #1: Villain's $75 bet on the turn is pathetic. He has nothing, or quads.

Hand #2: serious guys don't call the pot on the turn on a draw; he's got something. BUT it's not a set. So you might get him to lay it down.

I tend not to reraise with a bluff on the river, I don't think it's very profitable.

It's all about your reads, I guess. I don't like making a move in hand #1 because of the $90 preflop (what are people doing that with? AK as well as pairs?) and I don't like it in hand #2 because I don't think opponent is on a missed draw.

pete fabrizio 02-17-2005 03:05 PM

Re: Two easy bluffs?
 
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I tend not to reraise with a bluff on the river, I don't think it's very profitable.

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Most people tend not to reraise-bluff on the river, even when it IS profitable.

pete fabrizio 02-17-2005 03:10 PM

Re: Two easy bluffs?
 
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most people would not give you credit for a ten or an 8 here thinking "would he raise and call a re-raise here with a 10 or 8 in his hand?"

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What do you think these people put me on?

turnipmonster 02-17-2005 03:11 PM

Re: Two easy bluffs?
 
hand 2 is like playing chicken. chicken can be fun.


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