1-2 tough river call or fold?
 

reads: both villains are big fishes. and slight aggressive postflop


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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: (5.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

Re: 1-2 tough river call or fold?
 

standard not-even-close fold, especially after the overcall. i would fold this even without the overcall, actually

Re: 1-2 tough river call or fold?
 

thanks just had to makle sure. they turned over a pair of 4s

Re: 1-2 tough river call or fold?
 

I wouldnt overcall in this case, but considering your reads. I would call if UTG didnt.

Re: 1-2 tough river call or fold?
 

I feel great folding to two callers, but if it was one unknown, I'd make the call.

Re: 1-2 tough river call or fold?
 

I don't think MP3 checks behind the turn with a K or better, and prob not a Q either, so I'm thinking we are ahead of him most of the time, and ahead of a LP-UTG player who could easily have a small-midPPl, 4 or 2 a fair bit of the time, since he would likely lead a Q, or K here.

I think I call here

Re: 1-2 tough river call or fold?
 

These are good points that are often overlooked in the heat of the action.

We usually need a good hand to overcall on the river, but this is less true when the caller's range is so wide as it is here. I think utg could be calling with something as weak as AT.


I agree that the betting sequence makes it unlikely for the bettor and the caller (to a certain extent) to have us beat.

The pot odds of about 7-1 seem to justify a call in this case.

Re: 1-2 tough river call or fold?
 

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standard not-even-close fold

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Its much much closer then you think. Player reads could turn this into a call.

But I fold.