Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 

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This will be your downfall in the first round of the STTFHUC. Your KK will finally run into my obv AA and you will go home crying like a little baby.

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Oh Yugo, be forewarned of the cruelty of the two-outer on the River with all the chips already at the center of the table...

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Yes but ok sometimes you know your opponent....against an anon opponent I have a hard time folding KK ever, but against someone you know? I mean sometimes they can only have one hand.

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Raising to 200!, I thought I taught him better than that. He's my brother and I would of folded Ks in a second to him in that position. And I've only laid down Kings once in 5000 games(100% correct so far)

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what about flat calling the 200 and watching the action?

you'd have a good case for folding this one when it got back to you...

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Fold KK to heavy action preflop.

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Ship it! I thought that you posted this because you ended up calling and he didnt have AA, and were going to give a lecture on how to always call! Despite that I stood by my guns and said I'd fold and was correct.

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"Stood by my guns"?

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If you know that hes a very good/tight player, folding probably isnt that bad. In fact based on what you said it may even be correct, but Id really have to know the player myself to make such a statement.

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You seem to be hedging your bets here. You said there were situations where you could fold it, but were pretty inconclusive.

I don't understand the mentality of "Well, I really think this is almost always KK/AA, but as a matter of principle I don't fold KK on level 2" that a couple of people seem to be presenting in this thread. If you're pretty confident it really is going to be KK/AA - and it sounds like there's enough evidence about this player that this is reasonable - folding KK here isn't going to be a huge mistake if it is a mistake at all. It's also not like we're giving up any kind of metagame silliness, because we're neither showing it nor have we made any preflop action.

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I said that I'd fold it based on what he said, but I'd need to get my own feeling for the player. In general I don't like to go by other's reads, because I find that they are usually faulty to begin with.

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QQ/KK/AA/AK are in his range. That thought wouldn't remain in my head for long.

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Does any1 else remember the 2001 WSOP hand where Hellmuth had aces, Phil Gordon had kings, and Matusow had queens? Matusow folded first to Hellmuths raise, and Gordon folded face up, making Hellmuth go ballistic. "Im up against the 2nd and 3rd best starting hands in poker and all I get are the blinds?" It was funny.

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...And for your sake, I hope it is the last time.

I cannot imagine laying down KK in this spot. I reraise 100% of the time and am very happy to get my $$ in here. If he has AA, I start another game.