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JapaneseSandman 02-16-2005 12:17 PM

Was this flop call resonable?
 
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero folds.

River: (9.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Ac Qc (one pair, tens).
CO has 4c 4d (two pair, tens and fours).
Button has Kc 9c (one pair, tens).
Outcome: CO wins 9.25 BB. </font>

Wang tang ting tong I am the Japanese sandman, take eight.

davelin 02-16-2005 12:18 PM

Re: Was this flop call resonable?
 
I'm not sure why you called the flop if you were going to fold on an innocent turn card.

bigmac366 02-16-2005 12:20 PM

Re: Was this flop call resonable?
 
i lead this flop, if raised then i may fold the turn unless i have a specific read of LAG. i may also consider checkraising, but that might just scare an over pair into thinking i have a T. if it were HU i wouldnt fold, but with the other player in its close.

jay1313 02-16-2005 12:22 PM

Re: Was this flop call resonable?
 
This is one of those situations where I feel my best option is raise or fold. Given the position in the hand, I would have chosen fold here. If I was CO or Button, I would have raised.

jay1313 02-16-2005 12:23 PM

Re: Was this flop call resonable?
 
Leading out is a very viable option as well. I would love to take the hand right there.

bigmac366 02-16-2005 12:25 PM

Re: Was this flop call resonable?
 
yes, being out of position really hurts you here.

JapaneseSandman 02-16-2005 12:33 PM

Re: Was this flop call resonable?
 
My call was based on my outs. I figured 2 for the eights an 1 for the backdoor straight draw. Didn't count the tens because the preflop raise. Once the back door stright was dead on the turn I only have 2 outs and walked.

Wang tang ting tong I am the Japanese sandman, take eight.

NoResults 02-16-2005 03:53 PM

Re: Was this flop call resonable?
 
Analysis in white below:
<font color="#FFFFFF">Fold preflop, you lost the hand.</font>

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ArturiusX 02-16-2005 08:28 PM

Re: Was this flop call resonable?
 
I'd probably bet, and fold to the raise.

DeathDonkey 02-16-2005 09:22 PM

Re: Was this flop call resonable?
 
I don't count outs when I have the best hand.

-DeathDonkey


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