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stu-unger 10-21-2005 10:54 PM

tough AK hand...
 
villain in this hand is a semi thinking player. he hasnt done anything out of line in the 30 or so hands weve played. he is really nothing special just not a supa donk...

50nl 6max
effective stack 60
dealt to hero A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in CO

pre flop- all fold to hero, hero raises to 2, Button calls, all else fold...

flop (4.75)- A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
hero bets 4.5, villain calls...

turn (13.75)- 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
hero...

i know what i did, and i don't think i like it. what is your plan for the rest of the hand...

Malachii 10-21-2005 10:56 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
Check. I'm not putting any more money into this pot.

10-21-2005 10:57 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
Even though it sucks, I like check/fold too.

If he checks I may block the river, but meh I dunno.

Isura 10-21-2005 10:59 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
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Even though it sucks, I like check/fold too.

If he checks I may block the river, but meh I dunno.

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I find that a check here by villain usually means a very strong hand, and my block bets always seem to get raised. If he checks the turn, I usually now check/call a moderate river.

quarkncover 10-21-2005 10:59 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
I agree with Malachi, but do you have a call on river if villain leads for anywhere between $1-$5??

10-21-2005 11:01 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
bet 10. If he raises, I fold, if he calls, I check/call or check/fold the river, depending on what it is, and how big he bets the river.

10-21-2005 11:05 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
Good point.

I just assumed the players at 50 NL are going to be quite a bit more loose passive than at 200/400 NL. Figured to get some value out of one pair against stuff they'd check behind if the chances of them bluffing are quite low when checked to.

stu-unger 10-21-2005 11:08 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
so i bet 8 and he min raised and i realized i could beat aboslutely nothing and got frustrated i put more money in the pot. thanx for the replies. after the hand i was debating c/c'ing and c/folding, it looks like c/fold is what u guys vote, and i think i agree...

TrailofTears 10-21-2005 11:10 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
Well look at it this way, you are ahead of AQ and almost nothing else that is in this hand. Any resistance from villain and you are likely beaten, maybe chopping.

-T

10-21-2005 11:19 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
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Well look at it this way, you are ahead of AQ and almost nothing else that is in this hand
-T

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Dunno about that...the guy could easy have KJ, K10, K9,K8 QJ, Q10, Q9, Q8. Of course he could also have any of the hands that beat you too hehe. There are alot of hands that will call you that you might have beat. However, there aren't many that will raise you.

10-21-2005 11:21 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
I rather just check/fold turn than be out of position and building a large pot with tptk when I have no idea what villian has or if his call means I'm beat or I'm very live.

BTW, a lot of those hands you mentioned are going to want to check it down just as much as the hero.

TrailofTears 10-21-2005 11:23 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
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[ QUOTE ]
Well look at it this way, you are ahead of AQ and almost nothing else that is in this hand
-T

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Dunno about that...the guy could easy have KJ, K10, K9,K8 QJ, Q10, Q9, Q8. Of course he could also have any of the hands that beat you too hehe. There are alot of hands that will call you that you might have beat. However, there aren't many that will raise you.

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I'm referring to the action described. Who are the fools you play against? So many of the hands you have described tonight have included you giving people hand ranges of any top 50% hands. Meh, maybe I am reading MHNL too much...

EDIT: Welcome to the forums!

-T

10-21-2005 11:31 PM

Re: tough AK hand...
 
[ QUOTE ]

I'm referring to the action described. Who are the fools you play against? So many of the hands you have described tonight have included you giving people hand ranges of any top 50% hands. Meh, maybe I am reading MHNL too much...

EDIT: Welcome to the forums!

-T

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hehe. Hope you don't think I'm picking your posts, i'm not trying to hehe. But really, you can't see SOMEONE OUT THERE calling a bet with KJ or one of those hands? Like I said, its POSSIBLE, so I bet again to find out. Maybe you play against super tight players, but at alot of random tables I've played at, people don't mind calling down marginal hands.

The reason I don't want to check the turn is because it makes it too easy for someone to steal this pot with a bet. If I bet first, it keeps them in check if they have a mediocre or drawing hand, and its less likely I get bluffed out by a worse hand.

oh and, thanks for the welcome :P


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