So I want to casino whore
 

I have been doing bonus whoring for poker for a while amd want to it out for casinos. Is there any thread that already exists that is a beginners guide or anything like that? Or can someone show me the best place to start?

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Viewing the ads on the left menu may help you.

So might checking your PMs.

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Thanks again.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...14&fpart=1

That should get you started. Casino whoring is fantastic. I started it 5 days ago, and I'm up almost 3 grand (granted most of that is due to an unbelievable run of luck at a few of the casinos I whored). Good luck.

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just wait until you drop $500 in 10 minutes.. that'll be fun.

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just wait until you drop $500 in 10 minutes.. that'll be fun.

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or $1200 in under 5 minutes. Best time of your life.

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just wait until you drop $500 in 10 minutes.. that'll be fun.

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That's the most you've dropped in 10 minutes?

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...14&fpart=1

That should get you started. Casino whoring is fantastic. I started it 5 days ago, and I'm up almost 3 grand (granted most of that is due to an unbelievable run of luck at a few of the casinos I whored). Good luck.

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3 grand? My God, what's your secret.

My take on Casino Whoring:

The cryptologics are frustrating if you lose the bonus one month. I messed up the Inter one and lost my bonus so now I probably can't do it ever again. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Casino-on-Net - don't even bother depositing with Neteller unless you like 50x Wagering Requirements. If you have to deposit by Neteller, do yourself a favor, take the $200 put it on black, if you double up start playing BJ at $10 hits, if you lose, withdraw.

Planetluck apparently only give the $100 now for Video Poker and Slots, in their July Terms and Conditions they say no BJ, so they are out.

As for any others, if you are flat betting at $1 or $2 per hand at BJ, expect to clear the bonus within 5-20 hours with a pen and notebook recording how much you wagered per hand. (you'll find you've played thousands of hands at BJ and truly hate the game when its done)

Casino whoring was good, good luck to ya, but don't stuff up the Inter one! I don't have any Casino Whore options left now that I stuffed up the Inter one.

Cheers,
SDM

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50xB is a very reasonable WR. I loved the CoN is dead posts. Regardless, just use a frickin check. It's not that hard.

Casino Whoring is very, very profitable. My average hourly rate is easily over $100/hr.

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50xB is a very reasonable WR.

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It depends.

If you prefer to wager with only bonus money, flat betting the minimum, its not.

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Casino-on-Net - don't even bother depositing with Neteller unless you like 50x Wagering Requirements. If you have to deposit by Neteller, do yourself a favor, take the $200 put it on black, if you double up start playing BJ at $10 hits, if you lose, withdraw.

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I did this about 10 days ago, and I completely missed the Neteller restriction. However, I wagered $2k and cashed out with no problem. Must have been an oversight.

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50xB is a very reasonable WR.

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It depends.

If you prefer to wager with only bonus money, flat betting the minimum, its not.

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If you are bankroll builing, then I agree it probably isn't best.

But it still caries a VERY high EV if it's playable with Blackjack. I can burn through a 50xB offer very quickly. Hell, I do Bodog's 60xB all the time.

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just wait until you drop $500 in 10 minutes.. that'll be fun.

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Jesus Christ, grow some balls. I once lost $13K in about 30 minutes, and I didn't give a crap. My EV was about $460 and that's all that matters.

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just wait until you drop $500 in 10 minutes.. that'll be fun.

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Jesus Christ, grow some balls. I once lost $13K in about 30 minutes, and I didn't give a crap. My EV was about $460 and that's all that matters.

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No, EV isn't all that matters. Expected utility is what matters. A situation where you could lose $13k will have a much different EU from one person to the next.

Just because you have a big enough bankroll to stomach a $13k loss doesn't mean you have more balls than someone who is hurt by much less.

Bankroll != balls.

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My average hourly rate is easily over $100/hr.

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If this is consistant...you are my god

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just wait until you drop $500 in 10 minutes.. that'll be fun.

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Jesus Christ, grow some balls. I once lost $13K in about 30 minutes, and I didn't give a crap. My EV was about $460 and that's all that matters.

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No, EV isn't all that matters. Expected utility is what matters. A situation where you could lose $13k will have a much different EU from one person to the next.

Just because you have a big enough bankroll to stomach a $13k loss doesn't mean you have more balls than someone who is hurt by much less.

Bankroll != balls.

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whats Expected Utility?

Thanks,
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Does this imply that if you lose the bonus money first, you can still cashout your deposit?

That seems unlikely based on what I have seen at the other casinos. If its true, then I may have to give it a shot.

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My average hourly rate is easily over $100/hr.

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How is this possible? Shouldn't you run out of bonuses to whore?

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whats Expected Utility?



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Well, utility is what something is worth to you, or how useful it is to you.

For example, $100 is worth 10 times as much as $10 in actual value and in utility for most of us here. But what about $100 and $1000? $10000 and $100000? $10 million and $100 million?

For that reason, you can have +EV situations that are not +EU, since the larger amount of money isn't worth as much to you as it seems.

Here is an example of a +EV situation that many people wouldn't take (and shouldn't):

You can choose either of the following exactly once:
a) $1 million dollars
b) a 50% chance at $10 million dollars.

Obviously, the EV of b) is much higher than a), but the expected utility of that option will be lower than that of a) for many people.

edit: It is interesting to see what is the highest amount people would gamble for in the above example. People won't always choose the 'right' amount, of course, but it is interesting to see where they draw the line.

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Well said. Like how people on "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?" opt to forego the final question even though the EV can be much higher than stopping.

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just wait until you drop $500 in 10 minutes.. that'll be fun.

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or $1200 in under 5 minutes. Best time of your life.

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I've dropped $6k in one session before, but that took about 2 or 3 hours. Oh, and the software didn't pay players right (RTG)

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whats Expected Utility?



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Well, utility is what something is worth to you, or how useful it is to you.

For example, $100 is worth 10 times as much as $10 in actual value and in utility for most of us here. But what about $100 and $1000? $10000 and $100000? $10 million and $100 million?

For that reason, you can have +EV situations that are not +EU, since the larger amount of money isn't worth as much to you as it seems.

Here is an example of a +EV situation that many people wouldn't take (and shouldn't):

You can choose either of the following exactly once:
a) $1 million dollars
b) a 50% chance at $10 million dollars.

Obviously, the EV of b) is much higher than a), but the expected utility of that option will be lower than that of a) for many people.

edit: It is interesting to see what is the highest amount people would gamble for in the above example. People won't always choose the 'right' amount, of course, but it is interesting to see where they draw the line.

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Ok I sort of see.

In pure mathematical terms b) is +EV but in real world "I need to put gas in my car" terms, b) is -EU, correct?

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whats Expected Utility?



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Well, utility is what something is worth to you, or how useful it is to you.

For example, $100 is worth 10 times as much as $10 in actual value and in utility for most of us here. But what about $100 and $1000? $10000 and $100000? $10 million and $100 million?

For that reason, you can have +EV situations that are not +EU, since the larger amount of money isn't worth as much to you as it seems.

Here is an example of a +EV situation that many people wouldn't take (and shouldn't):

You can choose either of the following exactly once:
a) $1 million dollars
b) a 50% chance at $10 million dollars.

Obviously, the EV of b) is much higher than a), but the expected utility of that option will be lower than that of a) for many people.

edit: It is interesting to see what is the highest amount people would gamble for in the above example. People won't always choose the 'right' amount, of course, but it is interesting to see where they draw the line.

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Ok I sort of see.

In pure mathematical terms b) is +EV but in real world "I need to put gas in my car" terms, b) is -EU, correct?

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Yeah, thats the gist of it. It all depends on the person, though. I'm sure Bill Gates is rolling the dice here. Then giving the money to a charity because the warm fuzzy feeling has more utility to him than $10 million.

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whats Expected Utility?

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In economics, utility is a measure of the happiness or satisfaction gained from a good or service.

The idea is, you might not be twice as happy with 2x$ as you are with $. For instance, if you offered me a coin flip for my rent money, I wouldn't take it, even if the coin was weighted 60/40 towards winning. It'd be +EV, but I lose SO much utility when I lose rent, it's a bad move.
-Sam

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whats Expected Utility?

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In economics, utility is a measure of the happiness or satisfaction gained from a good or service.

The idea is, you might not be twice as happy with 2x$ as you are with $. For instance, if you offered me a coin flip for my rent money, I wouldn't take it, even if the coin was weighted 60/40 towards winning. It'd be +EV, but I lose SO much utility when I lose rent, it's a bad move.
-Sam

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Muchas Gracias Benholio and Sam.

I had always never wanted to use my own money to clear casino bonii for fear of losing it ... I now have a term to give this feeling.

-EU baby [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I think you can also use "risk aversed" to describe that feeling.

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I think you can also use "risk aversed" to describe that feeling.

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Planetluck apparently only give the $100 now for Video Poker and Slots, in their July Terms and Conditions they say no BJ, so they are out.


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I just did Planetluck a few hours ago, so you got me worried. I emailed support, and it looks like these restrictions you mention only apply to reload bonuses.

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Yes, wagering towards Blackjack games is included towards the bonus code: 100.

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My average hourly rate is easily over $100/hr.

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If this is consistant...you are my god

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Do I get to be god today then?

Note: I don't whore more than 1-2 hours per day. But yeah, my hourly rate is easily that. Anyone who ever says they don't have any more casinos to whore is lying to you or 100 years old. There are always more and there are always attractive reloads. You just have to do some homework.

Note #2: I also bet $20-25 MINIMUM for any bonus, including the cryptos. If I didn't, it really isn't worth it to me. I did $100 bets I think during the whole Cirrus Casino debacle. Maybe $50 half the time.

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Is that rate sustainable at all?

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It's the rate for the last 6 months. Take that for what its worth.

I've yet to have a month under $3,000. Last 6 are:

July (so far): $4,000
June: $9,000
May: $3,500
April: $4,000
March: $7,000
February: $3,000

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Insane. Maybe I should step up the bonus whoring.

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Yes casino whoring is profitable. But, just a warning Meteretron runs an affiliate website. He stole much of his info from the posters at bonuswhores.com. As you can also see in his first post in this thread he sent a PM to the original poster. I would bet good money he sent an unsolicited PM with his affiliate site plugged right in there.

If you go check out the forum at bwhores, you can find oodles of info on good bonuses, and it is a fountain of knowledge way more vast than metetron could offer.

$100 per hour is only feasible if you are willing/have the bankroll/have the guts to make large bets to clear the bonuses quickly. However you will want to start with small bets to lower the variance.

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Note #2: I also bet $20-25 MINIMUM for any bonus, including the cryptos. If I didn't, it really isn't worth it to me. I did $100 bets I think during the whole Cirrus Casino debacle. Maybe $50 half the time.

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Can I ask what casino bonuses you are clearing with such high bets?

I clear the Interpoker and William Hill bonuses monthly with the min bets to minimize my fluctuations.

Enlighten me on what the Cirrus Casino debacle is.

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Bonus Whores forum is a decent site as well, my only problem comes with all the good information is really buried in there and take a crapload of searching. I still probably haven't even gone through half of the info in the archives there.

There are also various other sites which list casinos. The trick is learning to read T&C's and then making sure the casino isn't a complete rogue before depositing there. The point of my site was to simplify everything until I began to realize how ever-changing and massive the casino whoring world is. A site is just damn near impossible to keep up to date and will never be complete with all bonuses. It's work, but that's where I'm eventually headed.

The Cirrus Casino thing is the result of some bad luck and a lack of doing hw. A bunch of bonus bud members did a sign-up bonus there worth about $1,350 after wagering was complete. There was some issue with splits and RTG opened an investigation and froze accounts in the mean time. It finally looks to be getting better, but it's been almost a month without the certainty that everyone is getting paid. And all these people deposited 2 grand a piece, so it's obviously a lot of money.

Anyways, it looks like things are getting better with them now and they've been very pleasant lately, I have no problems thinking I won't see my money.

And yes, you need a massive bankroll and a lot of risk tolerance to achieve the high $/hr that I do... when starting out it is definitely not optimal. I grinded my way through $1 bets at CoN like everyone else back when I started. Now, I can't even imagine the excrutiating pain that would cause me.


Oh and to answer your question, I clear will hill with 10 GBP bets and InterCasino with $20 bets. Both in Pontoon.

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There are also various other sites which list casinos. The trick is learning to read T&C's and then making sure the casino isn't a complete rogue before depositing there. The point of my site was to simplify everything until I began to realize how ever-changing and massive the casino whoring world is. A site is just damn near impossible to keep up to date and will never be complete with all bonuses. It's work, but that's where I'm eventually headed.


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You shouldn't refer people to your site (especially with unsolicited PMs) unless you are willing to put in that work. Out of date information (like you currently have) is going to totally screw people over. They will bitch at the casino and you for getting involved in a bonus with a quarter of the EV they expect (if it's even positive anymore).

Just because you pay $20k a year to advertise your shitty site doesn't mean that you can respond to every casino whoring post with information about how much you make, and how they should check out your site.

I was going to notify the mods about your post, but someone beat me to it.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...14&fpart=1

That should get you started. Casino whoring is fantastic. I started it 5 days ago, and I'm up almost 3 grand (granted most of that is due to an unbelievable run of luck at a few of the casinos I whored). Good luck.

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3 grand? My God, what's your secret.

My take on Casino Whoring:

The cryptologics are frustrating if you lose the bonus one month. I messed up the Inter one and lost my bonus so now I probably can't do it ever again. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Casino-on-Net - don't even bother depositing with Neteller unless you like 50x Wagering Requirements. If you have to deposit by Neteller, do yourself a favor, take the $200 put it on black, if you double up start playing BJ at $10 hits, if you lose, withdraw.

Planetluck apparently only give the $100 now for Video Poker and Slots, in their July Terms and Conditions they say no BJ, so they are out.

As for any others, if you are flat betting at $1 or $2 per hand at BJ, expect to clear the bonus within 5-20 hours with a pen and notebook recording how much you wagered per hand. (you'll find you've played thousands of hands at BJ and truly hate the game when its done)

Casino whoring was good, good luck to ya, but don't stuff up the Inter one! I don't have any Casino Whore options left now that I stuffed up the Inter one.

Cheers,
SDM

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My secret? Well, I read that in order to avoid getting labeled as a bonus abuser, you should vary your play just a little to the other games besides blackjack (which is -EV). So at Goldenpalace I decided to play 1 hand of let it Ride Poker at $5 a bet, and played the $1 bonus (I know, horribly -EV, but I wanted to appear as the average gambloor). I hit four of a kind. Thats where a lot of it came from.

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Ok casino question.

Which is the best game to play? I figure anyone can follow the BJ number chart. I figured Pai Gow would be a good game for unlocking a bonus. Many hands in Pai Gow have to where the dealer wins one hand, the player the other, resulting in a push. Would that be the effective game for bonus unlocking?

The only site I ever tried was Reef Club. I actually did come up about $200, so I felt good.

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You should almost always play whatever game is allowed that has the lowest house advantage. You can check that easily by going to wizardofodds.com. When you're starting out, you'll be playing BJ and video poker exclusively. After you finish the easier sites (and it takes a while), you'll start playing pai gow and even slots and keno.

I say almost always because sometimes you'll want to trade EV for lower variance. Some sites have video poker with a 0.4% HA, and blackjack with a 0.5% HA. VP has much bigger swings, so I sometimes choose BJ.

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That's true, but even taking that into account, you'll lose less playing blackjack. The HA on pai gow is about 2.3%.

<shameless self-promotion>The thread jman pointed to has a lot of helpful info</shameless self-promotion>

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It certainly does.