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pokerjunky 11-21-2005 12:45 PM

Not much value in a value bet
 
MP1 is decent, your average TAG.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
Hero calls, 2 folds[/i]</font>, MP1 calls, 2 folds[/i]</font>, CO (poster) checks, 2 folds[/i]</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, CO folds, BB folds.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 players)</font>
Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

River: (5.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 players)</font>
Hero checks to induce a bluff.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB

11-21-2005 12:53 PM

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 
Looks good, he will not pay you off with a busted draw.

Nick C 11-21-2005 12:55 PM

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 
I think that usually when you win the river will get checked through.

Still, your river plan seems all right to me. Occasionally MP2 will bet a busted draw, figuring it's a way of folding out your better busted draw.

Nick Royale 11-21-2005 12:56 PM

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 
I don't think my average TAG will bluff often here. I honestly have very hard to put him on a hand that beats you since he'll raise any Q (or better hand) on the flop. He's probably on a draw and it's possible he's ahead more often than not when he calls, but check/folding isn't an option. Still I think he'll call more hands than he'll bet and a fold to a raise would be easy. EDIT: If I knew he's a good player I'm check/calling, but it seems the only thing we have is stats, no?

11-21-2005 01:39 PM

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 
I check/call that River.

He may have a busted draw and won't pay off a value bet but would possibly bluff.

You may also be behind if he's the kind who'll let someone out of position bet, bet, bet...then raise the River.

I'd value bet AQ or an overpair, but not Top pair-medium kicker.

Buckmulligan 11-21-2005 02:04 PM

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 
I think an induced bluff would be better if a heart didn't drop. The only reason I'm checking here is if I think I'm behind, and I probably don't.

11-21-2005 02:36 PM

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 
This is terrible and I'm surprised no one has said so. Your opponent has you beat VERY rarely here, bet and print $10. Also, unless your game is very loose this preflop limp is pretty bad.

Nick Royale 11-21-2005 03:15 PM

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 
A tag won't pay off with a draw here so he's not calling with many hands we beat making a check/call much less than terrible. Personally I still prefer bet/fold.

The poster makes this preflop call close, but as you say it's depending on the table.

11-21-2005 03:18 PM

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 
Easy bet on the river.

11-21-2005 03:19 PM

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 
[ QUOTE ]
A tag won't pay off with a draw here so he's not calling with many hands we beat making a check/call much less than terrible. Personally I still prefer bet/fold.

The poster makes this preflop call close, but as you say it's depending on the table.

[/ QUOTE ]

A tag has us beat almost never here.


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