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OnkelHotte 10-03-2005 05:27 AM

Turn overplayed?
 
Hi all!

I posted this hand in another forum und many people said, I overplayed this turn. I raised the turn with the plan of a free SD to protect vs unknown UTG. After the turn 3 bet I didn't want to fold my queens 20:1. Turn 3 bettor was 18/3/0,5
after 40 hands

Would you

a) calldown the turn bet
b) raise turn and calldown a 3 bet or
c) raise turn und fold to a 3 bet

thoughts?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hotte is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hotte 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hotte bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hotte 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hotte calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (13.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hotte raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Hotte calls.

River: (19.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hotte calls.

Final Pot: 21.25 BB

Nick C 10-03-2005 05:37 AM

Re: Turn overplayed?
 
CO's flop checkraise does more to trap than to protect, and when he caps your 3-bet, I'm thinking he likes his hand a lot. JJ and AT are possible, but I'm fearing he has better than that (AA/KK/TT/77).

Probably I would just start calling down on the turn lead.

If I raised instead, though, I wouldn't fold my big overpair to a 3-bet. The pot is big, I have a big overpair, and my read is sketchy.

Pharity 10-03-2005 05:57 AM

Re: Turn overplayed?
 
Slow down on the turn. Sure you will give Utg+1 15:1 in odds which will make him call correctly with any pair. But you have to accept that you are likely beaten here so you dont protect your hand but CO's. You might be ahead here though against pocket Jacks. But given the action i think you should call down. And *if you raised the turn i'd say you cannot laydown your QQ against his 3-bet, it is not unlikely that he has an overplayed JJ.

OnkelHotte 10-03-2005 06:31 AM

Re: Turn overplayed?
 
sounds reasonable thx!:)

bungyrocks 10-03-2005 08:18 AM

Re: Turn overplayed?
 
I'd call the turn, call the river UI


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