Party 10/20 NL: Seemingly simple hand, what\'s the turn play?
 

10 handed Party 10/20 NL
3 folds. MP1 limps ($987). MP2 raises to 65 ($2034). MP3 folds. I call A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the CO ($2067). Button folds. SB calls ($1121). BB folds. MP1 calls.

Flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players, pot: $280)
Check, Check, Check, I bet $200. SB calls, other 2 fold.

Turn: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, pot: $680)
SB checks. He has $856 behind.

Was my flop bet good? FWIW, the other 2 opponents on the flop are solid regularls, but I don't think that's very relevant. What's my play on the turn? I don't know the opponent. He's been playing for about 20 minutes and hasn't done anything out of the ordinary to attract my attention.

Re: Party 10/20 NL: Seemingly simple hand, what\'s the turn play?
 

allin works, though you're easily outkicked or behind something else or something.

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Was my flop bet good?

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Re: Party 10/20 NL: Seemingly simple hand, what\'s the turn play?
 

wawb but you can't let him draw out on you.

betting him all-in makes your life much easier than betting 2/3 behind. basically you are going to show this one down...

Re: Party 10/20 NL: Seemingly simple hand, what\'s the turn play?
 

I dont like the original call. A10 is not good there with a raise in front of you. Here its a check or a push depending on your read. Beting 2/3 of the pot is not good. Id push but i suspect he might have set a trap.

Re: Party 10/20 NL: Seemingly simple hand, what\'s the turn play?
 

If you are going to bet here, then don't push. IMO it looks fishy and you won't get a better hand to fold. You can bet $600 which accomplishes the same thing w/o the suspicious 'feel' to it. BUT..I don't see anything wrong with checking here. There's 4way action to the flop and right now, the only thing you beat is a draw. You also have a gutshot. Villian likely has you outkicked or is slowplaying a much better hand (set, 2p) with his short stack. I check behind and reevaluate on the river (checking behind on a brick there also..not a time to value bet against a short stack). I don't like putting 1/2 my stack in the middle with top pair no kicker just cuz the board has some draws to it.

Re: Party 10/20 NL: Seemingly simple hand, what\'s the turn play?
 

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I dont like the original call. A10 is not good there with a raise in front of you.

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the original call is fine. It's 3% of his stack, he has a hand that is hitting to the nuts and with MPs dumb raise after a limper you can pretty much be assured it will be multiway once he calls.

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If you are going to bet here, then don't push. IMO it looks fishy and you won't get a better hand to fold.

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Of course SB is not folding a better hand. You want it to look fishy, so that he'll feel obliged to call w/a weaker ace. A push here is better than a 2/3 pot bet. both commits you anyway...

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You want it to look fishy, so that he'll feel obliged to call w/a weaker ace.

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What ace is that? A7? A5? I doubt he holds a weaker ace. Our hand is not strong enough so that we want our play to look fishy and get called. If we get called we are very likely beat.

Re: Party 10/20 NL: Seemingly simple hand, what\'s the turn play?
 

I bet 400 and fold to a push.

Re: Party 10/20 NL: Seemingly simple hand, what\'s the turn play?
 

I like your flop bet. The problem now is the stack size of the SB. I put SB on either a flush draw or an A with a questionable kicker and a push here puts him to the decision.