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Warik 11-20-2005 01:44 PM

If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
Inspired by the numerous potential DUI related threads that have come about in the past weeks...

So we now know that "Two Beers" is a no-no because the cops assume that 1) no one would ever tell the truth about how much alcohol they had, and 2) no one would ever only have two beers and drive erratically enough for them to be pulled over.

So, we can either say "Two Beers" and then be forced to take a field sobriety test, which even a sober person is > 50% likely to fail, or we can say............. what?

Can you completely LIE and say "I haven't had a drop of alcohol?" Can you refuse to answer that question without getting yourself subjected to a test anyway?

Or how about the all-encompassing: "I am 100% confident that I have not consumed sufficient alcohol in the past 24 hours to impair my driving ability, sir."

IggyWH 11-20-2005 01:47 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
Having been there (and being told by a cop relative to be honest), I think the best route is to lie completely and say you haven't had a drink. You can even add in some that you were DD and already dropped people off at home and were headed home yourself if asked where you are coming from. This could easily explain to the cop the reason he might smell "bar" on you.

Warik 11-20-2005 01:50 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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Having been there (and being told by a cop relative to be honest), I think the best route is to lie completely and say you haven't had a drink.

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Can't he force you to take a sobriety test (which you'd fail even if you were totally sober) and then force you to take a breath test? If you then test to be > 0.00, couldn't the fact that you lied earlier be used against you?

Someone else told me that you could demand to get a blood test instead of a breath test, which would stall for some time for your BAC to go down. Another guy said you should demand to have your lawyer present for the breath test but I'm pretty sure you'll come up empty.

11-20-2005 01:55 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
Last time I played golf I played with a lawyer and talked to him about this. His recommendation is to say that you need to talk to your attorney if he has any questions. This requires the police to shut off there video camera so the police will have basically zero evidence on you. I don't know if this is for all states or just Texas. But if you do this you probably will end of having to go to court and spend a couple grand.

If I was drinking but wasn't drunk I would just lie and say I hadn't had anything to drink and take a chance that they wouldn't give me a sobriety test. If they chose to test me I may or may not take it. Then if I got arrested I would refuse the breathalizer and all further testing from that point.

Warik 11-20-2005 02:00 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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if I got arrested I would refuse the breathalizer and all further testing from that point.

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You realize that's an automatic 1 year suspension of your license, don't you?

IggyWH 11-20-2005 02:04 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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Can't he force you to take a sobriety test (which you'd fail even if you were totally sober) and then force you to take a breath test? If you then test to be > 0.00, couldn't the fact that you lied earlier be used against you?

Someone else told me that you could demand to get a blood test instead of a breath test, which would stall for some time for your BAC to go down. Another guy said you should demand to have your lawyer present for the breath test but I'm pretty sure you'll come up empty.

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Apparently you missed my field sobriety trip report from last week. While they can't force you to take a field sobriety test, if you refuse, you're pretty much screwing yourself. I can't see why this wouldn't give you a reason to give you a Breathilizer or if they don't have one on them, take you in for blood work. You deny that, it's the same to them as you being legally drunk and you will be arrested.

I think the best bet is to just do the field sobriety test and pray you pass it. If you fail and believe you're not drunk, try to work out something willingly. Ask them to present a Breathilizer right there. If they have to take you somewhere, try your best to have them not tow your car (just because you might prove to be sober doesn't mean you won't have to pay to get your car back).

I was a little of a dick when it happened to me because I knew I was sober and they pulled me over for some BS that I didn't do. You just need to always remember to be slap-happy nice with cops. Agreeing to what they want seems to me the best way to do things.

Shoe 11-20-2005 02:07 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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This could easily explain to the cop the reason he might smell "bar" on you.


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But how would you explain the alcohol on your breathe?

Warik 11-20-2005 02:09 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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Apparently you missed my field sobriety trip report from last week. While they can't force you to take a field sobriety test, if you refuse, you're pretty much screwing yourself.

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I didn't miss the thread... I'm using "force" in the context of "if I don't do it, I'm automatically screwed." I sense this thread is going off on a small tangent...

What I'm trying to get at is this: The officer is not going to ask for a sobriety test unless he has reason to believe you might be under the influence. I've been pulled over 3 times and never asked to take a test (because I wasn't under the influence those 3 times)... however, if the cop asks if you've had anything to drink, if you say "two beers!," he has reason to give you a test.

But, if you say "no, I've had nothing" and he has you take a test anyway, could the fact that you said you had nothing be used against you?

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I was a little of a dick when it happened to me

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heheh yeah you were [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

BigBaitsim (milo) 11-20-2005 02:09 PM

The simple answer
 
How about you just don't drink and drive, [censored].

Warik 11-20-2005 02:10 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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But how would you explain the alcohol on your breathe?

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Your g/f had 10 beers and then made out with you.

MasterShakes 11-20-2005 02:11 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
It always helps to not drive like a jackass in the first place. Cops might be dicks, but there is almost always some visible reason why you are being pulled over. If you have had "a couple beers," just focus on driving straight and within 5 mph of the speed limit. Make sure all your car's equipment is in order (broken tail lights, headlight out, etc. gives them an excuse to pull you over).

If they do pull you over, just lie and say you haven't had anything to drink. Try really hard not to slur your speach when you say it. "A couple beers" or ANYTHING along those lines is most certainly the wrong answer.

I've never had to deal with the field sobriety tests or the breathalizer, because I don't drive like a jackass, even when I've had a few in me.

astroglide 11-20-2005 02:14 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
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How about you just don't drink and drive, [censored].

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Warik 11-20-2005 02:14 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
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How about you just don't drink and drive, [censored].

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How about "it's possible to drink socially without impairing your driving ability," "[censored]?"

Milo, have you ever had an alcoholic beverage? Were you automatically smashed after drinking one?

How about two?

If you know your limit, and you are below it, why should you have to jump through legal hoops just to get home at 2 in the morning when there are barely any cars out without having your license suspended?

No need to insult me. Yeah, I've driven with more than 1 beer in me, but I drive better at 0.07999999 BAC than most South Floridians drive at 0.00. If you've ever driven here, you'll know that this applies to most people.

MasterShakes 11-20-2005 02:15 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
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How about you just don't drink and drive, [censored].

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I should have said this too. Bravo.

IggyWH 11-20-2005 02:15 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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could the fact that you said you had nothing be used against you?

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I can't be 100% certain, but I've never heard of anything happening.

MasterShakes 11-20-2005 02:16 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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could the fact that you said you had nothing be used against you?

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I can't be 100% certain, but I've never heard of anything happening.

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No. You weren't under oath. You had not been read your Miranda rights yet.

IggyWH 11-20-2005 02:18 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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This could easily explain to the cop the reason he might smell "bar" on you.


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But how would you explain the alcohol on your breathe?

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If you talk to a cop with alcohol on your breath, then you are a moron. This is what gum/mints/whatever is for.

I'm not talking about popping 10 mints in your mouth right after you get pulled over because that would be obvious, but it doesn't hurt to have some in your car and pop a couple when you're leaving the bar.

Anyways, it's not sexy to a girl to smell beer on your breath. I almost always chew gum when out drinking. The key is cinnamon gum... it works for smell and it doesn't change the taste of your drinks.

BigBaitsim (milo) 11-20-2005 02:33 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
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How about you just don't drink and drive, [censored].

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How about "it's possible to drink socially without impairing your driving ability," "[censored]?"

Milo, have you ever had an alcoholic beverage? Were you automatically smashed after drinking one?

How about two?

If you know your limit, and you are below it, why should you have to jump through legal hoops just to get home at 2 in the morning when there are barely any cars out without having your license suspended?

No need to insult me. Yeah, I've driven with more than 1 beer in me, but I drive better at 0.07999999 BAC than most South Floridians drive at 0.00. If you've ever driven here, you'll know that this applies to most people.

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Personally, I would be impaired after one or two drinks. Most people would not.

If you get pulled over and have had only two, then all you will need to do is pass the breath test and the field sobriety tests. If you can, then there's no reason to have to figure out what to tell the cop. If you can't then you deserve to go to jail.

The problem is, studies of drinking and driving show that people grossly underestimate their level of impairment, and grossly overestimate how much they drink and still drive safely. People also underestimate how much they have been drinking. Many of those who say "two beers, officer," truly believe it, even when a breath/blood test clearly demonstrates they have had many more.

Bottom line, alcohol impairs judgment. Left to make the decision on your own, one of three things will be happen:
1) You will be non-impaired, and will be safe to drive, therefore you will correctly judge yourself safe; or

2) You will be impaired and unsafe to drive, will recognize this and not drive; or

3) You will be impaired, and since judgment (part of executive function, the first brain activity to be impacted by alcohol) is also impaired, you will incorrectly judge yourself to be non-impaired and will drive.

We are now back to my simple answer.

Clarkmeister 11-20-2005 02:39 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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Can you completely LIE and say "I haven't had a drop of alcohol?"

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Yes. And I've seen it work.

Thythe 11-20-2005 02:39 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
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How about you just don't drink and drive, [censored].

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Yes you shouldn't be drunk and drive, but never driving if you've had a couple of drinks isn't possible for most people. It's easy enough if you live somewhere with a good public transportation system, but this isn't the case with most cities.

BigBaitsim (milo) 11-20-2005 02:40 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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This could easily explain to the cop the reason he might smell "bar" on you.


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But how would you explain the alcohol on your breathe?

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If you talk to a cop with alcohol on your breath, then you are a moron. This is what gum/mints/whatever is for.

I'm not talking about popping 10 mints in your mouth right after you get pulled over because that would be obvious, but it doesn't hurt to have some in your car and pop a couple when you're leaving the bar.

Anyways, it's not sexy to a girl to smell beer on your breath. I almost always chew gum when out drinking. The key is cinnamon gum... it works for smell and it doesn't change the taste of your drinks.

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The alcohol on your breath comes from your lungs, not from your mouth. Gum, mints, etc., will not fool a cop, and have never fooled me as a forensic psychologist (in fact, the smell of a masking agent like cinnamon or mint just raises my suspicion).

Trust me, when you roll down your window, the cop knows IMMEDIATELY from the smell of your car that someone in it has been drinking, regardless of what you've been chewing. S/he asks questions just to investigate and confirm his/her hypothesis.

BigBaitsim (milo) 11-20-2005 02:45 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
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How about you just don't drink and drive, [censored].

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Yes you shouldn't be drunk and drive, but never driving if you've had a couple of drinks isn't possible for most people. It's easy enough if you live somewhere with a good public transportation system, but this isn't the case with most cities.

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Again, if you are not impaired, that is, if a) your BAL is under 0.08 and b) you can pass field sobriety tests, then you have no worries. If either a or b is a problem, then you should plan better, so you have a way home. If you haven't planned well, I would suggest either this:

http://www.travelingarmchair.com/gal...itchhiking.jpg

or this:
http://www.tailgauge.com/images/auto...Yellow_Cab.jpg

CORed 11-20-2005 02:56 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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Last time I played golf I played with a lawyer and talked to him about this. His recommendation is to say that you need to talk to your attorney if he has any questions. This requires the police to shut off there video camera so the police will have basically zero evidence on you. I don't know if this is for all states or just Texas. But if you do this you probably will end of having to go to court and spend a couple grand.

If I was drinking but wasn't drunk I would just lie and say I hadn't had anything to drink and take a chance that they wouldn't give me a sobriety test. If they chose to test me I may or may not take it. Then if I got arrested I would refuse the breathalizer and all further testing from that point.

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I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that sying you won't answer questions until you talk to your attorney will work anywhere in th U.S. as this is based on the fifth ammendment and the Miranda ruling. What you have to balance is your chance of keeping the cop from arresting you in the first place against your ability to defend yourself if you do get arrested. Refusing to answer is your legal right, but if you do so, most cops are going to assume you're guilty. OTOH, any admission that you've been drinking, or violated any other law, will be used agaist you if your case goes to trial.

InchoateHand 11-20-2005 02:59 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
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If you get pulled over and have had only two, then all you will need to do is pass the breath test and the field sobriety tests. If you can, then there's no reason to have to figure out what to tell the cop. If you can't then you deserve to go to jail.

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Hello!!!!!

THE [censored] POINT IS THAT THE FIELD SOBRIETY TESTS ARE WORTHLESS WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE BEEN DRINKING. FAILING A FIELD SOBRIETY TEST IS NO REASON TO GO TO JAIL AND THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL BUT PASSED WITH FLYING COLORS WHILE HEAVILY INTOXICATED.

Please keep your moral righteousness to yourself, especially if you are unwilling to read the very post you are responding to.

IggyWH 11-20-2005 03:00 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
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How about you just don't drink and drive, [censored].

[/ QUOTE ]

How about "it's possible to drink socially without impairing your driving ability," "[censored]?"

Milo, have you ever had an alcoholic beverage? Were you automatically smashed after drinking one?

How about two?

If you know your limit, and you are below it, why should you have to jump through legal hoops just to get home at 2 in the morning when there are barely any cars out without having your license suspended?

No need to insult me. Yeah, I've driven with more than 1 beer in me, but I drive better at 0.07999999 BAC than most South Floridians drive at 0.00. If you've ever driven here, you'll know that this applies to most people.

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Personally, I would be impaired after one or two drinks. Most people would not.

If you get pulled over and have had only two, then all you will need to do is pass the breath test and the field sobriety tests. If you can, then there's no reason to have to figure out what to tell the cop. If you can't then you deserve to go to jail.

The problem is, studies of drinking and driving show that people grossly underestimate their level of impairment, and grossly overestimate how much they drink and still drive safely. People also underestimate how much they have been drinking. Many of those who say "two beers, officer," truly believe it, even when a breath/blood test clearly demonstrates they have had many more.

Bottom line, alcohol impairs judgment. Left to make the decision on your own, one of three things will be happen:
1) You will be non-impaired, and will be safe to drive, therefore you will correctly judge yourself safe; or

2) You will be impaired and unsafe to drive, will recognize this and not drive; or

3) You will be impaired, and since judgment (part of executive function, the first brain activity to be impacted by alcohol) is also impaired, you will incorrectly judge yourself to be non-impaired and will drive.

We are now back to my simple answer.

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It's nice that you live in some lala land, but this is the real world. People are responsible for their own actions. If I want to go out, have a couple beers and drive home, guess what? THE LAW SAYS I CAN!

Just because you drink a couple drinks and then drive does NOT mean you are impared (at least legally, don't give me this crap about everyone is impared from the second they drink).

I can drink 2 beers and be perfectly fine. On the other hand, if I take Nyquil, I will not drive a car. 1 dose of Nyquil screws me up 10 times worse than 2 beers. Is there a law against me driving under the influence of cold medicine? No.

See what a mean, it's not a lala land we live in.

BigBaitsim (milo) 11-20-2005 03:00 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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Last time I played golf I played with a lawyer and talked to him about this. His recommendation is to say that you need to talk to your attorney if he has any questions. This requires the police to shut off there video camera so the police will have basically zero evidence on you. I don't know if this is for all states or just Texas. But if you do this you probably will end of having to go to court and spend a couple grand.

If I was drinking but wasn't drunk I would just lie and say I hadn't had anything to drink and take a chance that they wouldn't give me a sobriety test. If they chose to test me I may or may not take it. Then if I got arrested I would refuse the breathalizer and all further testing from that point.

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I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that sying you won't answer questions until you talk to your attorney will work anywhere in th U.S. as this is based on the fifth ammendment and the Miranda ruling. What you have to balance is your chance of keeping the cop from arresting you in the first place against your ability to defend yourself if you do get arrested. Refusing to answer is your legal right, but if you do so, most cops are going to assume you're guilty. OTOH, any admission that you've been drinking, or violated any other law, will be used agaist you if your case goes to trial.

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I asked the wife (who is a lawyer who has both prosecuted and defended people for DUI). She said that during the "investigation" phase this likely would not work. Once arrested, you have rights under Miranda. So your refusal to talk would likely result in arrest. Your refusal to do the breath test is generally an AUTOMATIC 1 year suspension, whether you are eventually found guilty or not. It is, of course, possible that your refusal may prevent them from gathering enough evidence to prosecute, but again, it's easier to avoid the whole mess.

CORed 11-20-2005 03:01 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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But, if you say "no, I've had nothing" and he has you take a test anyway, could the fact that you said you had nothing be used against you?

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Worst case, they could charge you with making a false report to police, or some such. If you testify in a trial, the prosecution might be able to use this to undermine your credibility.

11-20-2005 03:05 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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But, if you say "no, I've had nothing" and he has you take a test anyway, could the fact that you said you had nothing be used against you?

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Worst case, they could charge you with making a false report to police, or some such. If you testify in a trial, the prosecution might be able to use this to undermine your credibility.

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It's not making a false report to police if it's about yourself. Unless you are legally required to give the truth, such as your real name, you can tell them whatever you want.

For the record, the correct answer in this thread is to tell them that you have had nothing to drink.

BigBaitsim (milo) 11-20-2005 03:05 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
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If you get pulled over and have had only two, then all you will need to do is pass the breath test and the field sobriety tests. If you can, then there's no reason to have to figure out what to tell the cop. If you can't then you deserve to go to jail.

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Hello!!!!!

THE [censored] POINT IS THAT THE FIELD SOBRIETY TESTS ARE WORTHLESS WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE BEEN DRINKING. FAILING A FIELD SOBRIETY TEST IS NO REASON TO GO TO JAIL AND THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL BUT PASSED WITH FLYING COLORS WHILE HEAVILY INTOXICATED.

Please keep your moral righteousness to yourself, especially if you are unwilling to read the very post you are responding to.

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If you can pass field sobriety tests while intoxicated, you likely have a high tolerance for alcohol. This is not something you are born with, but something you develop over time, by drinking a lot.

I see no reason to keep my moral righteousness to myself, when you put me, my wife and my children at risk when you choose to drink and drive. It makes me very sad to hear that you avoided jail, and the "loving companionship" of the cellmate you so richly deserve.

Randy_Refeld 11-20-2005 03:09 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
Basically if they think you are drunk you are screwed.

Many years ago i was watching a friend of mine in a band play at a bar out of town. After it was over i went out to my car and drove away. At the time i walked with a limp. I got just up the raod a bit and get pulled over. Cop gives me some BS reason for pulling me over. He decides i have been drinking and need to walk a staight line. I have a limp so i can't. He arrests me and has my car impounded. We go to the police station and of course i test 0.00 becsaue i hadn't had a thing to drink. I am free to go. THis is a Fri night they give me a number to call to get my car back. They tell me i can come by on Mon to get my car. I am 50 miles from home and have to call someoen to come get me becaue of the red neck cop.

InchoateHand 11-20-2005 03:13 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
The problem is that field sobriety tests don't measure your ability to drive, or your sobriety. If you fail one you don't deserve to go to jail, since many, many people would fail them entirely sober. You are missing the point, by a wide margin. Your ignorance threatens my life, and the life of my family, but luckily I don't parade around beating you with the idiot stick you so richly deserve.

"Cell companionship?" For a DUI? I thought you and your wife worked in the legal system...how could you possibly be this clueless? Let me guess, everything you (and your wife) know about prison you learned from Office Space?

I'm done arguing with a brick wall.

11-20-2005 03:13 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
Meh, you chose to get on the road knowing there were people in other cars who had been drinking. Don't put this on anyone but yourself buddy.

IggyWH 11-20-2005 03:13 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
Does anyone know if you can "demand" a Breathilizer on the spot? I say demand meaning that if you know you are sober and they are going to take you in for blood/breath test, can you demand an on the spot Breathilizer so if you pass that you can just go on your way?

11-20-2005 03:15 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
You don't need to be over the legal limit to get a DUII btw, you can get one for taking a Benadryl. Seriously.

Brainwalter 11-20-2005 03:15 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
Last thread a guy posted about getting a breathalyzer immediately, blowing less than half the legal limit, and getting arrested anyway.

TeeJayORTj 11-20-2005 03:15 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
Those sobriety tests are easy. Just ask this guy.

slickpoppa 11-20-2005 03:18 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
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I asked the wife (who is a lawyer who has both prosecuted and defended people for DUI). She said that during the "investigation" phase this likely would not work. Once arrested, you have rights under Miranda. So your refusal to talk would likely result in arrest. Your refusal to do the breath test is generally an AUTOMATIC 1 year suspension, whether you are eventually found guilty or not. It is, of course, possible that your refusal may prevent them from gathering enough evidence to prosecute, but again, it's easier to avoid the whole mess.

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I think there may be some miscommunication because you definitely cannot be arrested for refusing to answer a question (Excluding stuff like your name and the information on your license) because that would be a 5th Amendment violation. The difference between the situation before you are arrested and after you are arrested is that the cops must read you your Miranda rights after you are arrested. But the 5th Amendment nevertheless still applies before you are arrested.

That being said, it might not be a good idea to not answer the cops questions because it may antagonize him and cause him to do a field sobriety test.

JonPKibble 11-20-2005 03:19 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
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Meh, you chose to get on the road knowing there were people in other cars who had been drinking. Don't put this on anyone but yourself buddy.

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11-20-2005 03:19 PM

Re: If not \"Two Beers, Officer\", then what?
 
Yes, however you can be detained for 72 hours without being arrested. I don't recommend refusing questions before you are arrested.

IggyWH 11-20-2005 03:20 PM

Re: The simple answer
 
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Meh, you chose to get on the road knowing there were people in other cars who had been drinking. Don't put this on anyone but yourself buddy.

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I certainly don't like Milo's "Holier Than Thou" attitude about drinking and driving, but this was a pretty lame comment. I hope it was just a bad joke.

My main beef with Milo is he's trying to fight this on the wrong level. I am a resonsible adult and know my limits. I've had friends who have wrapped themselves around telephone poles and have had friends get hit by drunk drivers when they were completely sober.

I also understand that others don't know their limits. My roomie is a perfect example of this. There's no middle ground with him, it's either completely sober or a complete wreck. I don't defend people who get "drunk" and drive but it's our ambiguous laws that really let people drive drunk.

If you want to fight something, fight the fact that you can drink & drive with your lawmakers. Trying to fight with each person to not drink anything and drive is like challenging a 1 legged man to an ass kicking contest.


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