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vanHelsing 09-01-2005 07:42 AM

JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Button ($226.60)</font>
Hero ($202.90)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($225.70)</font>
UTG ($255.15)
MP ($363.75)
CO ($361.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $10</font>, BB calls $8, Button calls $8.

Flop: ($30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $28</font>, BB calls $28, Button calls $28.

Turn: ($114) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero ?

Turn blanks and I still don't feel good with 2 PSB callers behind me.
If I keep betting, I am ready to die with one pair, if I check , I risk giving a crucial free card.
Just had 2 orbits at the table, both players seem average, no special reads. I haven't been involved in pots so far, so my image is probably more tight.

BobboFitos 09-01-2005 10:56 AM

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 
Hmmmm what to do what to do.

ScottTheFish 09-01-2005 11:07 AM

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 
Button's overcall looks pretty scary. I want to check here, but then again I'm a big wuss.

wdeadwyler 09-01-2005 11:50 AM

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 
I think this is a very tough situation. Id slow way down, as you got two callers on a fairly drawless board. One of em prob has a set. Check and see what they do, if either bets more than half pot, im guessing they are milking you with a set. You shouldnt worry about the free cards too much. If one of them is playing a five that's poker. Betting again here commits way too much of your stack in a dangerous spot. I hate spots like these btw.

djoyce003 09-01-2005 11:51 AM

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 
I'd probably fire half pot...I think thats enough of a slowdown. I'm probably folding to agression. If that gets called i'm firing around 1/3 pot as a blocker.

vanHelsing 09-01-2005 11:57 AM

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 
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I'd probably fire half pot...I think thats enough of a slowdown. I'm probably folding to agression. If that gets called i'm firing around 1/3 pot as a blocker.

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I guess we are too short for that.
If we bet 65$ on turn, get 1 caller, we have a 240$ pot on river and 100$ left behind...

djoyce003 09-01-2005 12:25 PM

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 
Half pot is $55 not $65. Assuming you lose one caller here, pot would be 220. Then you can fire around 50 again.

BobboFitos 09-01-2005 12:27 PM

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 
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I'd probably fire half pot...I think thats enough of a slowdown. I'm probably folding to agression. If that gets called i'm firing around 1/3 pot as a blocker.

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I guess we are too short for that.
If we bet 65$ on turn, get 1 caller, we have a 240$ pot on river and 100$ left behind...

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Yeah, this isn't an option. The options are...

Check/push.
Check/fold.
Push.

Decide what is best and do it.

TheWorstPlayer 09-01-2005 01:10 PM

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 
$100 and call a push.

BobboFitos 09-01-2005 01:21 PM

Re: JJ overpair OOP - 2 callers on Flop
 
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$100 and call a push.

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I actually dont mind open push, you'd be amazed at how often A4/55+ call...

Also, hands like 45 which may be correct in calling psb may call anyway through frustration/believing they have best hand. If stacks are deeper I like check/pushing... If villains will only bet if they can beat JJ, I like check/folding.


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